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Episode 39 - Current Events and Jesus Christ the Person - Part 3
It's been a minute......... On this episode we discuss current events in the Church and what is driving these drastic changes in our faith; also we finish up our discussion on the person of Jesus Christ. Great discussion that spurred a lot of texts and future emails and comments online. We think you will enjoy the show.
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Tim Stout:Love delayed but live from the cardones studio in Georgetown, Kentucky. Today is Tuesday the 26th week in Ordinary Time. And this is deacons discussions, drinks. Check 123 Good evening everybody. Welcome back to the car dome studio where anything is possible including bad internet Welcome back for another discussion another drink with the deacons. I'm Deacon Tim Stout,
Dallas Kelley:I'm Deacon Dallas Kelly,
Fr. Linh Nguyen:I'm fatherly when we all
Tim Stout:made it made it we made it we had some technical difficulties there at the beginning. Apparently there's been some changes as a result of the school growing out here and we just need to adapt a little bit and be a little bit more impatient. Or maybe we need to look at better internet browser we'll get on that but hey, there's a lot going on the Catholic world these days have you all been paying attention?
Dallas Kelley:A little bit yeah, so
Tim Stout:this this is my bookends here the US
Dallas Kelley:I've been busy has been out of town so you know how that goes. I got to work a little harder.
Tim Stout:We'll get to that just a second. Okay. Because Because I had I had a visiting priests this weekend. So we'll talk a little bit about that here in just a second. But in the interim, you know, Catholic world us CCB issues a memo out that they're concerned over transgender males getting into the seminary or religious life wow wow. We'll talk about that in a second. Then the pope put a little statement about everybody's favorite Catholic news channel founded by Mother Angelica e wt n indirectly
Dallas Kelley:yeah he didn't mention the letters
Tim Stout:he didn't say the name popular up very popular conservative president use the word conservative either we get a direct quote if we need to. And then the bishop in Kansas City Bishop Finn tells National Catholic reporter to stop using the word Catholic in their name. They're ignoring so what the heck is going on in this world?
Fr. Linh Nguyen:going on with the Catholic Church
Tim Stout:Yeah, that's all Catholic Stuff we if we have to talk about what's going on was that a rhetorical question Are
Dallas Kelley:you really want to know what's going on?
Tim Stout:Yeah, what's going on?
Dallas Kelley:I don't know. A lot I mean, it's I wish somebody would pass canon law we can no you know like it discipline. You know, like eating meat on Friday. You can't use Catholic Can I use social media? When we have a whole lot more peace, come on.
Tim Stout:We just wouldn't know what was going on. It would still be going on but
Dallas Kelley:we wouldn't know about it. Yeah, but we have a whole lot more peace.
Tim Stout:So did you all see the memo from the CCB? I sent it to you was it you said it was hard to read though laundry? Yeah.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:I know the Archbishop though. Yeah, he taught me moral, moral theology, what theology? Basically, Stacie wasn't
Dallas Kelley:asking for was a tan from now on give DNA test or
Tim Stout:I think it was a recommendation Yeah, that they do DNA test going into the seminary. I mean,
Dallas Kelley:because they it was saying like, they have caught some right. Yeah,
Tim Stout:they didn't. They didn't specify quantity or anything like Like that, but you know if the US CCB sends out a letter to all the bishops, yeah, something's happening. Yeah, they just not they're not. The bishops just don't strike me as somebody that's going to be pre emptive. They're responding to something. Dude, would you agree with that? Yes. But I mean, how would you feel if you were a seminarian, and they want you to do a DNA test?
Fr. Linh Nguyen:It would be fun.
Tim Stout:Or even a deacon. Right? I
Dallas Kelley:mean, theoretically, right? If I was didn't have anything to worry about. It wouldn't bother me. Yeah.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:But it's all come down to the proper interview. Right? It's tough to assess that. I remember when I was at mundelein seminary, that's a first question the interview you and I learned that were originally they said, what are your sexual orientation? I see. What do you mean, but women orientation? so far? faster? Hickey say, Do you like girl? Oh, no problem.
Dallas Kelley:We had to go through psychological would you call it what would you call it? valuation? valuations. Yeah. And the wife had to go in there with you and everything.
Tim Stout:Yeah, I mean, it didn't mean yours was probably much more stringent than ours. And yours was more than one. Right? Right. But it didn't strike me as one of the strong suits of the program. Right? It didn't feel like, hey, this was good. Uh, this was good to weed out bad apples. I felt like we were checking a box. Really? I mean, and I think I think a lot of guys felt that way. There was 30. What 35? Is, whatever the number was a bunch of us at the time. Yeah. And, you know, I'm a, I'm a firm believer that if if, if a process isn't leading somebody out at that level, where there's 35 people going through, and I'm not saying the psychological part, just the whole process, then, what are you doing? Why are you doing the process? The likelihood that everybody gets through the psychological evaluation to me at that level, but you're talking about one or two people, maybe so 35
Fr. Linh Nguyen:but that, I think that there is a deeper question in this whole process. And the process itself, I'm trying to say here, remember the time during Benedict 16 there was a document he put out in regarding to almost sexual in the priesthood, he questioned about the the affected in the indelible mark of his ordination, right wasn't about that and that was also what I strong disciplinary upon seminary, do not accept homosexual seminary as died some lens reflect upon sexual scandal that we have because right now, Catholic still tried to study that intently a correlation he got to the data Well, Mark is interesting when I don't remember there was a case when in the seminary, you know, ethical class. And this case actually was is was real. So there was a seminarian ordain, become a priest. And it turns out, he, ci, as a sex change, it was a she has a section to become a he, and then he joined to seminary and became priests. So the question about his infallibility of his theological ordination there you go, that's what they're talking about. Right? And the answer was no, he can. He can be ordained they can cannot they cannot not not be ordained. Um, so
Dallas Kelley:because she's a female is the reason why she
Fr. Linh Nguyen:doesn't matter how much you change. So you're still still a female because God innate, ordained you to become that Faker. But in the priesthood, ordination is not the role of the function, but the character of the personhood what you got preordained you to be you know, all this thing that right now people show all over the place, right? I feel I feel like being a female today, so therefore, I'm a female. Yeah. But but in Catholic theology is completely different. That's why kind of interesting when you sent me that, granted is probably there somewhere along the line, but it I think, is touched deeper in the theology of The orientation itself that that important,
Tim Stout:the prop the process? Yeah. I mean, that's typically what happens in any institution in the church should not be exempt from that. The process is break down, right there. They're not as efficient or effective as they they should be could be and, and as a result is a human institution, right? I mean, I mean, the church is not infallible, right. So, you know, we have these issues. What happens? You and I talked about this, what, when we talked on the phone the other day? What happens to all the people that have received or thought they were receiving sacraments scenario? I mean, it just opens up a whole lot of questions, the validity
Fr. Linh Nguyen:of that, you know, the language that we, in training, we use deep theological language, right? Or canonical language validity on your
Tim Stout:back, van, listen, listen, listen.
Dallas Kelley:But it would fall under the same member about a year ago, the gentleman, the priest found out he wasn't baptized, right? I have to go back and all the people he's, you know, received things that only a priest can do,
Tim Stout:right? baptism wouldn't be one of them. So but
Dallas Kelley:confirmation confirmation, but those masses right now, nobody received the Eucharist For how long? You know,
Fr. Linh Nguyen:doing, you know, all of that. And then I think it brings an interesting point right? Before for common, Catholic, not have a chance to really well, you know, discuss about that, you know, when you talk about the indelible mark, of a character of a priest, and it does high standard, you know, then just a function. Most people see praise, okay, he do mass, but it's not, is it right, the lot more in that spiritual consummation of that spirit, so different.
Tim Stout:So go read the press release, or go see the who broke that whispers broke that actually our friend, Rocco palmo, we had on the show we had on the show last year, broke, he broke that somebody leaked the memo to him, and he posted it up on social media man,
Dallas Kelley:whistleblower, they'll probably be in trouble now. He'll get fired somewhere down the line.
Tim Stout:And then the whole I guess the Pope was traveling, traveling back from Slovenia, I think is where he was right.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:Right. Talk without to George,
Dallas Kelley:was he on a plane again,
Tim Stout:he was on a plane. We need to keep the pope off the plane, start taking
Dallas Kelley:trains.
Tim Stout:But it was I thought it was pretty interesting. I did do a deep dive in social media about this topic. And you have you have, you know, these, the Jesuits who be considered a little liberal, and the conservatives all kind of going back and forth about this. And, you know, the Pope said, basically, he said, I'm okay, if you criticize me. But don't criticize the church. And you know, I don't know, I don't understand that. You know, I can I mean, the church gets criticized all the time. Internal external. I mean, we do, and I know, church could be capital CLC.
Dallas Kelley:capital C, the church is perfect. A GREAT DIVINE institution, but it's also small co human institution. Yeah,
Tim Stout:yeah. But I don't see. Maybe I'm maybe I'm naive in this. I don't see whether it's National Catholic register National Catholic reporter or Ew, TN or anybody criticizing Capitol see. Yeah, I've never Yeah, I agree. But I think there is there is a lot of criticism in of Bishops. There's a lot of criticism of priest and D. I mean, there's just a lot of criticism in the church. It happens every day. I mean, have you ever heard anybody say that they didn't like one of our hobbies?
Fr. Linh Nguyen:No.
Tim Stout:Or what we preached or how we preached or whatever, right?
Dallas Kelley:If you only knew the actually I hold back a lot if you only knew the amount of people that came to me over you, make you cry. So yeah, that's what deacons are. We're we're the bridge. We're the bridge. Oh, we're the bridge. Don't tell fatherly and we're the broken bridge sometime.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:No, but I think the point I think what you address how, sometime in the criticism, it kind of they, you know, decrease the pope is fine, but to the point to hinder the church. I think that the concern, you know, like, for example, you know, I can't stand father Lynn. So I'm, I'm stopping contribution to the parish. So in other words, it's not we've not heard
Tim Stout:that ever before. But that's the that's the go to right. Yeah.
Dallas Kelley:So you got the email I forwarded.
Tim Stout:Yeah, I mean, but in that case, so they're they're not hurting you? Right, right. I mean, and that's, to me, I think that's what someone's intent is, is they feel. And I kind of talked about this a little bit in because I had Christ in my home this weekend. And one of the things we were one of the things I said is, it's this, you know, Jesus, the gospel is cash marriage, right, you know, man and woman, married forever, you know, divorce decree, what he talked about with Moses, and then bring the children to me and use them. In example, one of what I kind of took away from that was, we're all critical of the church, we're all Catholic, or cafeteria, Catholics, all of us are, there's always something that the Church teaches, it's hard. And we don't want hard, we're programmed in our lives and our culture this day, in 2021, to find easy to find it, where it's not difficult on us to find something that, you know, makes us happy and and, you know, somebody that's been divorced and remarried, that doesn't agree with that, they're going to complain about that, because it affects them personally, or somebody that has same sex attraction is going to complain about that, or somebody that that doesn't like to get up on Sunday is going to complain that they had to go to church on Sunday. I mean, you know, pick and choose whatever you want out of that book right there. That's why we've got it here. So we can criticize, but you see, I'm saying it's just we are
Dallas Kelley:we? Yeah, you can criticize, but we would say do it anyway.
Tim Stout:Well, we would, yeah. Right. But I think the folks that are out there being critical of publicly being critical of a lot of those things aren't saying that, right? They're just being critical about whatever. And you know, this Pope has a tendency to be vague. To have a lot of ambiguity and biggie. Biggie area, about his statements, and that confusion, opens the door. In my mind, it opens the door to criticism.
Dallas Kelley:But I stress all the time to people, you need to learn the church learned learn, don't stop, just keep learning. So when priests, deacons, bishops, or posts, say something vague or glean in a way that you can sort it out, you can filter it, well, it's not really. You don't leave because of it. Because you know, actually what the Church says and teach.
Tim Stout:Absolutely, yeah. And that's like, if somebody complains about the homily or a pastor or priest or visiting priest or whatever, by messages, don't let it affect your faith. Right, right. Your faith is what brings you to church. It shouldn't be who's preaching that Sunday? Exactly. Right? Or who's singing that Sunday or whatever it should be about the faith, which you didn't believe?
Dallas Kelley:What the Church teaches everything. I would have left it because the people in the church are a mass. All right.
Tim Stout:And we weren't Yeah, we're gonna talk about our final talk on the person of Jesus Christ, because Dallas is there's not much more we could talk about. But yeah, one of the things I think that's so unique and I don't think I really realized it, as in I'm a cradle Catholic, and I've had a lot a lot of Catholic education, I didn't really really realize it till formation is how interconnected all the theology is. And then if you pull something out, it all starts to crumble. So it's all it's this whole base
Dallas Kelley:as Gus Lloyd show, but I listened to so many I could be wrong. gave an example i thought was a good example. You know, and it had to do with what I just said, you know, you you learn to cherish you fall in love with the church. So when things go bad, you don't leave the church even like the sex abuse crisis, as bad as they were, you know, like, Peter told Jesus, are you going to leave to where Where, where? Where will I go? This is it. But on Gus Lloyd show we you know, when Noah was selling the ark, you you'd climbed into the ark? Or you were gonna die? Well after a while that art got pretty stinky, right? Are you gonna jump ship come because it's so stinky. You're gonna die if you do where else are you gonna go? You know,
Tim Stout:but and I think that's, you know, can you be critical using that analogy of the churches the Ark? Can you be critical of the Ark? Yeah. Inside the salvation that it's brought brought you the life that is brought to you not really can't really complain about that so well, and then, you know, I told I was just thinking about this this National Catholic reporter and not using the word Catholic, but I just really think that there's a there's Catholic media wars that are going on, and it's as bad as public. Yeah, it's, and I encourage everybody to read both sides of those. If you're, if you're an ew tn person or a National Catholic register, you know, you should be looking at National Catholic reporter just like if you're a person that watches Fox News, you should be looking at CNN or ABC, you should you should get your news from multiple sources. But at the end of the day, when you're talking about Catholic Stuff, that book right there, hold that book up ish. That book right there. The catechism should be should help you with your faith to find out what's what's right, what's not, right. It's pretty simple, sometimes in it.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:Too simple that people don't want to accept it. It can't be that easy.
Tim Stout:And that's not to say that, you know, when we're talking about, I'll pick a pick a topic of the day, or immigration, homosexuality, abortion, all those things. There is other sides to the discussion that we cannot ignore, right? We cannot ignore. And that's one of the things that I think the Catholic Church does really well. And if you're somebody that's pro choice, and you're criticizing, criticizing what's going on the pro life side, you know, you hear the argument. Well, what about the mothers? What about, you know, they can't afford it. Nobody's nobody's helping home, which is simply not true. Right? from the Catholic perspective, you have to you have to search that stuff out. You have to search that stuff out. Same thing from immigration, we need immigration reform. There's no doubt we need immigration reform. There's no doubt that we need to treat immigrants just like we would treat each other sit around this table. Right? I mean, so there's two sides to every story. Nobody likes to hear that. So that's my current events. All I got too much
Fr. Linh Nguyen:current.
Tim Stout:Do you have any current events? What's going on in the world? COVID getting better. What's doxa
Dallas Kelley:COVID? Man, the man's are still full of Georgetown. I know that for a fact.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:I say Morehead right? Well, head is overflow,
Tim Stout:or hits pretty, pretty bad. Yeah. called the National garden under the help. We were Kelly's mom was in hospital. She fell in and herself. And when we were visiting there, the National Guard doesn't global the National Guard was at Baptist days delivering delivering meals. So it's
Dallas Kelley:in New York. So many nurses and doctors will not get the vaccine. They I think it's today don't they get fired today that the governor or later is going to call into National Guard with medical experience to there's going to be a major shortage here starting today.
Tim Stout:We should have the doc back on say, we think over there, Steve, I'll keep up with his social media posts.
Dallas Kelley:So So with all the medical people, you're hearing about refusing the vaccine? Who do you listen to? Well, I mean, you always hear listen to science. Well, they're medical people and they're not getting it. You know,
Tim Stout:I bet the doc has an opinion on that. I know, I've been keeping up with this post. He did say that he kind of feels like the leaf peaked. And it's been in and out now, which is good, obviously good news. But the bad news is they terminate all these people that refuse the vaccine. There was already a healthcare worker shortage. Yep, that's gonna be worse, right?
Dallas Kelley:But my point is, you got doctors out there. And I'm not saying he'll be one of them. But don't listen to them. Doctors. Listen to me. While they're doctors too, so you can see where the how that's confusing, confusing.
Tim Stout:Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that are going on each. Each situation I'm not, I'm not a fan of vaccine mandates. I'm vaccinated. We're all vaccinated in this room. But I think each individual and I has some examples that I'm not going to share but I have some some real life examples that I know where people haven't got the vaccine and they have legitimate reasons not to get the vaccine after consulting with their medical professional. And that's, you know, that's just how it is. We talked a little bit about this last last show about on the free side of it. About mandating on the we're not really mandating on the preset. But shaming, shaming, shaming brace it and it's it's the same thing. I mean it's
Dallas Kelley:and depending on where they live, they could either get fired or not be allowed in mass. Right?
Tim Stout:Yeah, the Canadian bishops came off of that. I'll just say that. Yeah, they did come off of that. They had, they had basically I don't know if you knew that or not, but the Canadian bishops actually said, you have to have proof of vaccine to get into church. Did Yeah. But then they they said, we're handling we can do that. There's, I'm sure there's a canon law that says that you can't do that. But guess the bishop ordinary can do what he wants? You know, I just don't, you know, I don't I don't like the way we're castigating people. Without understanding that I'm not talking about me, I'm just saying, society in general can castigate people because they decide for legitimate reason that it's nobody else's business about not getting a vaccine. So I would like for it to be over and I do understand that people think hey, I've got to go get tests I'm vaccinated I got to go get tested all these times and if everybody would just get vaccinated I would have to go do this all but I'm telling you, there's a lot of breakthrough cases that I know of. I know a lot of people that have been vaccinated and I say a lot you know, seven or eight that I personally know that have been vaccinated and got COVID COVID me I'm sure you know somebody Do you know anybody that that case I'd
Dallas Kelley:have to think I don't think about it I'm not all fan I don't know.
Tim Stout:I just want it to be over I'm tired of it.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:You know, it's not gonna be over
Dallas Kelley:what you got and once again we talked about this is supposed to be the worst ever, because the hospitals are more for now than they were with the peak of the you know, the first round and yet we go into restaurants and stores no mask,
Tim Stout:and we might have went to a Dodger baseball
Dallas Kelley:stadiums or full jam pack then. The Dodgers lost that game. Yeah, but they want the next two then. Yeah.
Tim Stout:It's crunch time. Baseball. Baseball. Good time to be a Dodger fan
Dallas Kelley:and a Bengals fan. They'd be Pittsburgh. Yeah. Who today right. Today's
Tim Stout:day is pretty excited. It's nice day. Steve is working Thursday night this week that the Bengals are playing the Jags on Thursday night. Thursday Night Football. So watch for Steve on the sidelines, you might see glimpses of him running around crazy. So let's, let's go get ready to switch topics.
Dallas Kelley:Yep.
Tim Stout:Let's see we're gonna patch up eight here in just a second. Just give me a second to get ready. We're gonna start with this little video
Dallas Kelley:on the Trinity on the Trinity, which Jesus is a part of. Yeah, no, no, no, he's not part of right. God don't come in part person's video. let you know.
Tim Stout:So here we go. Hopefully you give me a upside if I if you get it if you get the sound. Are you ready?
Unknown:Okay, Patrick, tell us a bit more about this Trinity thing. Yeah. Patrick, tell us but remember that we're simple people without your fancy education and books and learning. And we're hearing about all of this for the first time. So try to keep it simple. Okay, Patrick? Yeah, real simple, Patrick. Sure. There are three persons of the Trinity the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Yet there is only one God. Don't get what you're saying here. Patrick, not picking up what you're laying down here. Patrick, could you use an analogy, Patrick? Sure. The Trinity is like water and how you can find water in three different forms liquid and ice and vapor. That modalism Patrick, what moralism and ancient heresy confess by teachers such as no atheist and Sibelius, which espouses that God is not three distinct persons, but that he merely reveals himself in three different forms. This heresy was clearly condemned in canon one at the first Council of Constantinople and 381 ad and those who confess it cannot rightly be considered a part of the church Catholic. Come on Patra. Yeah, get it together, Patrick. Okay. Then the Trinity is like the sun in the sky, where you have the star, and the light and the heat. Oh, Patrick, come on, Patrick. That arianism Patrick arianism Yes, arianism Patrick theology which states that Christ and the Holy Spirit are creations of the Father and not one in nature with him exactly. Like how heat and light are not the star itself, but are merely creations of the star. That's a bad analogy Patrick are the worst Patrick. All right, sorry. The Trinity is like this three leaf clover here. I'm going to stop you right there, Patrick. Yeah, hold your horses. Patrick, you're about to confess. partialism, partialism? Yes, partialism, a heresy, which asserts that the Father, Son and Holy Spirits are not distinct persons of the Godhead, but are different parts of God, each composing 1/3 of the Divine and who confesses the heresy of partial is the first season at a cartoon program Voltron where five robot lion cars merge together to form one giant robot samurai, obviously, I've never heard of Voltron, of course, and it's not going to exist for another 1500 years now. Patrick, yeah, get with the program, Patrick. I mean, really, Patrick? I'm gonna stab you in the face, Patrick. Okay, that was probably a bit much. Alright, I'll try again. The Trinity is like how the same man can be a husband and a father and an employer moralism again alright then it's like the three layers of an hour so there's a revisited fine the Trinity is a mystery which cannot be comprehended by human reasoning, but is understood only through faith and his best confessed and the words of the athanasian Creed, which says that we worship one God and Trinity and unity neither confusing the persons are dividing the substance that we are compelled by the Christian truth to confess that each distinct person is God and Lord, and that the deity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is one equaling glory co equal in majesty. Well, why didn't you just say that, Patrick? Yeah, quit beating around the bush, Patrick. Now let's all put on some giant green form hats get riotously drunk and vomit in the Chicago River to celebrate our conversion.
Dallas Kelley:Can you repeat the definition? Again, somebody real fast.
Tim Stout:I mean, that's what makes it confusing, right? We've had Dallas and I were talking about for one show that I need to meet. Paul will show that you've probably heard some of those examples used in RCA. Right? Yeah. So I mean, it's just
Dallas Kelley:so we need to tell is it Pat, now that those are heresies don't use those example, the clover in the water and the ice and the gas.
Tim Stout:So I think the best thing to know about the Trinity is, you think you understand it. You're all right.
Dallas Kelley:And if you do understand that you're one of the three
Tim Stout:and so I think that's why when we talk about Jesus Christ is purely human, right? That's human 100% human. It's hard for people to grasp. Right? So what else do we need to cross off on the person of Jesus Christ there Padre? Were you thinking I got no notes on us. It's all got to come from here. This is all
Dallas Kelley:you got to you got to resort back to your would you do eight years of college? Your seminary How long have you been
Fr. Linh Nguyen:eight years? I think the the incarnation of Jesus is very important, very crucial. That is one of the greatest doctrine I think for but we have
Dallas Kelley:of the Incarnation conversion which I just went over with my class is very
Fr. Linh Nguyen:important because it is sum up everything about the redemption. You know, oftentimes we thought, Jesus, okay, Kim died for us. And he rise. You know, he, you know, I'm saying when you hear that is almost like the we've normalized that right, normalize that. But there's a reason why you know, his dad, it's not any other death. No, that's God.
Tim Stout:Yeah. Because if you if you just think of it as God, then yeah, God can do that, right? God can do anything. But when you think of it, you say, oh, okay, that's not a big deal. It is a big deal because of the incarnation. But yeah, it's those those those bookends that set apart our faith versus any other faith.
Dallas Kelley:I remember I asked one of the kids or one of the classes, I forget which one I said, Okay, the Incarnation is when Jesus was put in the womb of Mary, you know, the Annunciation that day. Anybody know when we celebrate it, and somebody thought for a second one of the kids went to, if I had to guess it was nine months prior to Christmas. said exactly March 25.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:There you go. That's very good. You know, it's require that extensive conversation, I'm saying, I think one of the tragic for us and we allow the society to capture a certain celebration. One of the things we miss out is all the small celebration the all the sayings of the fee. No, like, I don't see Asian, we never talk about it. If we, if we get lucky, we settled on Sunday or a fall on Sunday. We never heard about it. And there has to be a reason we have to bring that back somehow.
Dallas Kelley:Yeah, I just showed him a movie Our Lady of Fatima. And there's a scene in there where they're celebrating St. Anthony's feast day, and it was a big to do. Everybody, all the villages gathered, they gave it gave away this big donkey pulled in this big cart full of bread, and they handed out a bunch of food and big celebration for St. Anthony's feast day.
Tim Stout:It used to happen in the, in the parishes, whoever they were named after. Right. So and that's something we've never really done here. Right? St. JOHN, the evangelist, john doe, or even St. Francis to sail, we've never really had a big deal going on about that feast day. There's another big feast day coming up this set tomorrow. The archangels is this week, I think tomorrow is tomorrow. Is that a celebrity? Or is that just a suffix these day? Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, if for your, for your kids, they're getting a little bit of that, right? Catholic school kids get a little bit of that. But if you're, if you've converted as an adult, and you're not going to daily mass, you're not you're not hearing about those things, just Jesus do, you have to seek it out. And that's something I think in the sort of today's culture where we're so so pulled, we're pulled in so many different directions, that it's hard to kind of focus in on something like that. And if you're only going to church on Sunday, which is 90%, right? Just that's
Dallas Kelley:99
Tim Stout:I was trying to be generous. So
Dallas Kelley:in which you know, it's just people's got a workload, you know, got to work and things you know, but sometimes during the day you just can't go to a lot of that stuff.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:So that was one of the reason john paul to implement the illuminous mystery right in the rosary here. The may lumens mystery it then is speak about the life of Jesus Christ is about what that process is of no and even a station of the cross we we don't use that anymore practically you know even doing doing lead very small group people participate in that. So the remember the Catholic back in the 50s and a 62 or 270 that is part of our living right now.
Tim Stout:Remember that you would have a school right? I mean, I remember I remember Stations of the Cross and it'd be we were an air conditioned church It was hot and people pass it out because we'd also have been addiction and at the end of it and it was just hot and but it was it ingrained something in you when you're when you're experiencing those stations that it Catholic Church has in school as a kid every Friday during Lent you remember it it's an experience and you you say you come to appreciate it I think most people do if they're still balls interfaith but you know what? I just think that that that's something that we got to agree with. You gotta be creative, somehow. Figure out how to bring it back.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:Basically, you know, when can you last time have a conversation about the Annunciation like Dallas I was a student today Oh wow, why the people go through all CIA know more about our faith than we do? Because they talk very diligently about in detail and so you know, some of the great major feats we celebrate tomorrow nobody's gonna know about the the archangels
Tim Stout:a good place to start though I agree. luminous mysteries are a good one. You know sometimes they think they get shortchanged because you You're always supposed to say those ones away. I go up books when he
Dallas Kelley:first came out with that if you remember there was some resistance Oh, people don't like change. Oh yeah. You know, you can't just insert new mysteries it's the rosary and now it's widely accepted you know it's been so many years
Tim Stout:that he's a saint to that then oh, I don't know what the what it is about that but you know when you look back retrospectively and it's a saint now that's that instituted something it's it's pretty inspiring. So I think the luminous mysteries are my favorite just, you know, because I like the wedding again anyway. Right? I love that whole story. And you know, we hear that a couple times throughout through the course of the year Dawei on Sunday. So but somebody was a you that were preached about that that somebody preached in the last couple weeks. It says something about that. They'd like that story because it's great advice.
Dallas Kelley:Just I think it was fatherly. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Stout:Do it. Do do what Jesus said, What do you say? Do what he says, Yeah, he brought it up. Yeah. Just do what he says and that we question that, right? That's pretty. That's pretty good advice, right? Just do what Jesus tells you to do, you'll be alright. It's just, you got to cut through the noise to hear what Jesus is saying. So and I think that as a person, as a human person, I think that's why we can we're encouraged to relate to him because he was humans.
Dallas Kelley:And at the same time that that that quote, do what he says is people always wonder how much Mary knew. That was Mary's way of saying, Well, I know a lot. Yes, it is your time, it's your time to start your ministry, do whatever he says, you know, this is your time, get going.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:You know, for me, those celebration is so important. Because it kind of push us into sometimes encountering the experience and oftentimes our okay Jesus, over very quick about it, you know, that's why for me, I love was that a series called The Chosen it great that he granted you know, the, the director or the writer that kind of filled the gap, the experience of what Jesus is and the disciples and all that. But it, it gives you mine a lie of the fresh of imagination, about what that life Jesus was about. And it gives you a fresh perspective, you know, and so to do to have a relationship with a person of Jesus Christ, is about that is about the daily encounter and the church, give us a lot of opportunity or instrument, like the rosary, you know, reflect on the scripture lexer Vina a centering prayer, you know, all of that,
Tim Stout:then this, I mean, you said already the saints, the lives of those, those are, those are real people.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:And it moves us into, like, you know, you could always show the sign of the day, you know, how Wester slows, you remember that there was a song for Christmas, they say nothing about Jesus, about this guy. And roll up into the heart of Jesus Christ.
Tim Stout:I think that's a, that's a great summary of what the church offers that we sometimes we forget about. Right? We've got the lives of the saints, we, we forget, play with the exception of Mother Teresa, and john paul, because we, a lot of us, grew up at the same time, but we hear we hear the stories of the saints and we even the story of Jesus and the time that he lived and So, so far away, it's hard to grasp. And I think that's, you're right, I think the chosen is something that that gives that really highlights the humanity of Jesus. Right, the the real stuff outside of the Gospels, you know, and you know, there, I won't say it's fiction, but they're filling in the gaps, right? They're filling in the gaps, and but they're, they're showing those emotions, those real life experiences that he had, you know, I think we do we forget about that. And then when you can grasp that, I think when you can grasp that, when you can really relate to the that personal personal side of Jesus, when you then get to the passion, that's when it becomes even more real real, right? Because now you've developed this relationship that you can really feel like Jesus was was was human like me, and he experienced like, like I did, and, you know, he had friends that let him down. You know, he had great friends and good bad friends and just all that stuff. And then when you get to the point of the suffering and the death now you're like, Whoa, that's Yeah, I mean, that it means more at that point. So
Fr. Linh Nguyen:that's another point I want to captured with you guys is, you know, work with young people nationally. And locally. The thing that actually moved them a lot over the issue of social justice, you know, Catholic heart, for example, gift love that stuff. Because it caught into the activity of the emotional, truly encounter, and that when you tap, relate that to what Jesus is about. And they have this, oh, I was like, got it. You know, I'm saying. So I think as a church as as Minister or as clergies we have to be very creative in that. I think it's so important. You know, watching the chosen And the whole thing about fishing Dallas talk a whole lot. It has a different meaning now, you know, when when Peter tried to get catch the fish, and how Jesus turned his boat almost over overflow with fishes, and their significant meaning, and that they tie to that. And so I think that incarnation That's what I'm talking about, you know, I'll bear and talk about the the truth, the beauty, you know, there is that neatness that that bring about that joy, you know? And so you know, for me that that that person of Jesus Christ using the great incarnation, II ology process, if you will, that that challenge us as a church in many way, try to bring young people back or parenting, make sure we are aware of those opportunity, if you will, that that can be integrate better. So that I agree, did
Tim Stout:you when you were thinking about that, and you were about social justice, one of the things that that kind of jumped out of me, coming out are more for me, it's the same thing when we talk about the environment, right? There's this, there's this political clash up here that says, bad doesn't cause global warming. Bad does cause global warming. But down here in the everyday things of life, who wants to take their oil and dump it out in their backyard anymore? Did you ever do that as a kid? I mean, we had a fence where we report in a ditch Yeah. You don't do that.
Dallas Kelley:I dropped it off at Walmart this morning.
Tim Stout:You don't do that anymore. It is and and, you know, we can sit up here we can debate about, you know, climate change and all those things. But at the end of the day, we should take care of the environment. It's not, it's not difficult. You know what it's not a political statement about and I think most people get that. It's just that we want to go and be either Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative. That's our, that's our, our zones that we like to operate in. And what we need to operate in is, as a Catholic, is a little bit different than
Fr. Linh Nguyen:that was definitely a preach this morning. Remember, the gospel have to do with James and john. It'll be powerful Jesus, have a Samaritan town, on his way Jerusalem to die. And the town did not welcome him. They came to Jesus say, you know, the sin of thunder john, say, do you want to call fire to burn them?
Tim Stout:rain down fire.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:He said, leave him alone. You know, if we are so quick to react, but I was preaching about we, even with Jesus, we become so caught up with ourselves, or environment in any situation, we caught up up truth that we become untruth. Absolutely no. And so what Jesus signify and called is to make sure you harvest in the truth, just like early we talked about, you know, National Catholic reporter, or non your at&t and whatever you are. Where is the truth lies? I think what Pope Francis called tour, you can criticize me, but don't criticize the church. The church is truth, right?
Tim Stout:The churches is working in a very tough environment today, you know, and trying, trying, trying to do good. Don't always succeed. But we're trying right?
Dallas Kelley:don't preach we have this weekend. What did he say in every mass? Who is the most generous organization? planet
Tim Stout:as last week? Oh, it was? Yeah, you know, you have the large you have this, the largest charitable organization in the country's Catholic Church, the largest educator of people in the world is the Catholic Church. You know, we we just, there's a lot of great things about the church, I go back to even something that the gospel this week that I think hits the nail on the head right here and kind of breaks down these divisions that we have. And that, you know, basically if Jesus said, you know, if, if they're not against us, it's okay. You know, if they're, if they're not, you know, preaching against us, and they're using my name, nothing bad can come out of that. I just think we've we've lost that. In our culture, we we've we've we've politicized everything. I mean, everybody in the church. Absolutely. No, the church is not, you know, it's the church is not exempt from that at all. And you know, we We've got to figure out I don't know how to do it, if I did, I'd be a rich man, but we got to figure out how to turn the tables around and, and make it more about who we are as people and the acts of love that we do that that are the basis for being Catholic, the basis for social justice, the basis for you know, protecting the environment, the basis for loving our neighbor, all the all of this stuff. We need to unplug the size because at the end of the day, you know, if you got somebody and you said hey, we don't wanna talk about politics, we just want to know how should we treat this person. I think most people would understand how they want to want to trade. But we because we can't do that in a in a isolated environment. We're worried about what other people will think about us and the only person we should be worried about only person. person we should be worried about how they feel about us as Jesus
Dallas Kelley:person, a person of Jesus.
Tim Stout:Any comments on there? Not a one not one that
Fr. Linh Nguyen:I want to add this recently I heard about this Pope Francis plan to call a salad out of the whole universal church in a three year process. I don't house that sub divide basically Bishop could have made in a deanery I think, as a senate and then come together in the universal church with the Pope. It's a three year plan call the Synod. Oh, really look over pray to the Holy Spirit. And Rhian Kindle, the spirit desert, it was a lot going on I didn't read much more detail but
Tim Stout:when we talk about that next time we could talk about next
Dallas Kelley:aren't a first gonna have a session on how to have a Senate. I heard it. Really? Yeah,
Tim Stout:I mean, the German bishops kind of screwed that up for everybody. I mean, no,
Fr. Linh Nguyen:I think all of this what the pope tried to do with this senator that got the funny word senator and send it all had to do with the universal he want to convene that I think by the year binomial to 2324, something like that.
Tim Stout:Hey, before we get to the saying of the day Steve, can you punch up that other graphic that we had? graphic I'm talking about?
Dallas Kelley:One any 3d food down with Kelly right hand corner back outside of my clothes. The sound before Scott Scott It was also at a time that I could raise my arm over my head without being in
Tim Stout:Dallas Kelly father mentioned it earlier saying of the day I can't pronounce it right Can somebody help me out here it says Laos. Went sis Laos. He was? Well we're gonna find out where he's from, because I think I'm Sylvania. Let's find out. Here we go.
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Tim Stout:I love those names. I mean, that's what we need to be doing. We need to be like, using some of these site names as part of real names.
Dallas Kelley:Why don't we, when we build a new church, why don't we rename it? st one wishes. Once this law was like, will it start being saved? St. W.
Tim Stout:It's kind of like my grandson. His name is ace. I had to search long and hard that there was a St. ACLs. So we call him ACLs. That's not his real name, his name's ace. But, Ico sounds a whole lot better than just days, I think. Sorry, Katie. had to throw that out there. Hey, next show next. Two weeks from today, Tuesday, October 12. Market down. You know, we were supposed to have some hardware here this week. That looked a whole lot like Emmys. And Steve had lot going on today. But Steve, October 12. Find those keys unlock those babies. And let's bring them in at least one. Can you bring them all I mean, we'll we'll put them all down there in front. But we want we want people to know that this is an Emmy produce show. So maybe we're going to talk to Steve about his his life and journey because he's got a story where he did a story on St. pope john paul. Second. So hopefully maybe on October 12. We'll be talking about that. So the guy thoughts, questions, or suggestions for topics? Let us know. Jesus Christ. Part Three concludes our series on Jesus Christ. You have anything else to say about that? No.
Dallas Kelley:No, this that's what it's all about Jesus.
Tim Stout:As lost last year on that mic there Padre. Alright, so check out ssF j.org ss f j. s. Alright, Steve. I'm just gonna blow through that ssF. j.org to contribute to the ministries that St. Francis have john, tell your friends. And most of all, spread the gospel. Jesus Christ. Love your neighbor. Love each other. Too simple as that. By the land. Can you throw a blessing on us if your mics working there?
Dallas Kelley:Amen.
Tim Stout:Your your mic wasn't working. It's been out there it is. It was me. Here's my phone.
Fr. Linh Nguyen:There you go. Try it again. One more time. What The Lord be with you And with your spirit. May almighty God bless you, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Tim Stout:Hey, man. Hey, until next time, I'm
Dallas Kelley:taking Tim I'm thinking
Fr. Linh Nguyen:father linguine Good night, everybody. Good night. Did you ever stop and think why spend too much time?
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