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Episode 38 - Vaccine Mandates, The Church, and Jesus Christ

• Deacon Tim Stout, Deacon Dallas Kelley, Father Linh Nguyen • Season 2 • Episode 9

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It's been a minute........or about a month since our last show.  On this episode we discuss COVID, vaccine mandates at the Diocese of Lexington, the Church, and the person of Jesus Christ.  Great discussion that spurred a lot of texts and future emails and comments online.  We think you will enjoy the show.

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Unknown:

Did you ever stop and think? Why spend too much time getting ready? I don't know or saying the thing that I haven't noticed. Then when I see you my heart starts racing, but I don't know if it's the same thing. My hands start shaking.

Tim Stout:

From the cardones studio in Georgetown, Kentucky today is the feast of the exaltation of the cross, Tuesday, September 14 2021. And this is deacons, discussions, drinks.

Unknown:

I don't know what I could say, to to hang around. So much that I still keep it to myself, if you'd only say when my heart starts racing, and

Dallas Kelley:

playing. Let's go.

Tim Stout:

Let's go. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the cardones studio in Georgetown, Kentucky. For another exciting as always discussion. I'm Deacon Tim Stout.

Dallas Kelley:

I'm Deacon Dallas Kelly.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I'm falling when Hey,

Tim Stout:

it's been a minute. A minute. It's been a minute. That's what all the cool kids say. You know, have you heard any saying? No, I have not been a minute.

Dallas Kelley:

I never was one of the cool kids. I was.

Tim Stout:

It's been a minute and what that means apparently is translation. It's been about a month. So it's been a while. That's another that's how they say yeah, well answer the last time you had to cancel. How's the hand? Can you get a close up of that?

Dallas Kelley:

They're away. I don't know. Yeah,

Tim Stout:

he's looking at he's got you in there.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Ouch. Too much blessing. That's what happened. What happened?

Dallas Kelley:

I had a ganglion cyst. And under that I had several bone spurs. One of them had totally severed my index finger tendon in half. And I had to have them granted away. Did they fix the tendon? I was asleep. I don't know. I don't think they fixed the tendon because they said something about there's two tendons in your index finger or Samsung themselves and I was groggy I don't remember and you only need one and you only need one but don't break it.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

The reason from that beautiful basketball shot you want us to have that so

Tim Stout:

I think I do just one second Let me see if I

Dallas Kelley:

have both tendons attached to that finger but

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

after that shot, twist

Unknown:

they drill by 183 82 Dallas Kelly right hand corner back outside of my club not a good deal on a baseline of a game that I've had to sign before got gonna flip it over his shoulder I'm gonna

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

see you fail down.

Tim Stout:

Dallas Kelly.

Dallas Kelley:

That was my one moment in the spotlight. I love that.

Tim Stout:

I do. Everybody should have a moment like that in their lives. You know?

Dallas Kelley:

How remember it like it was yesterday. Still remember?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

It's a minute.

Dallas Kelley:

It's up to you. When I when I found that tape here about a year ago and applied it. I remember that time does over your memory. I thought it was just in regulation that shot but it was actually in overtime. We went in overtime. I don't remember that part.

Tim Stout:

Well, it's been a minute.

Dallas Kelley:

42

Tim Stout:

years. Let's see how long me ties will say that tonight. That'll be something crazy

Dallas Kelley:

was 42 years from since that shot.

Tim Stout:

What's been going on in the world? Anybody know?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

What knowledge is? celebrate 60th birthday, right?

Dallas Kelley:

That was yesterday. So it's been a minute. It's been six at the cane. It was all a mental thing.

Tim Stout:

Dallas Kelly 60 years old zero. So how many years ago did you hit that winning basket 42 years ago. Already two years was last time shot a basketball.

Dallas Kelley:

41 years now it was I played ball in a league and Toyota up to I was 40. Then my son was born. So he played a Toyota and quite a bit in all those leagues and never got hurt. Knees are no, play dad's 40 and those legs and then son was born, stayed home to help out and never saw a bargain.

Tim Stout:

Gave up basketball and fishing on the same year probably didn't you

Dallas Kelley:

know, I didn't give a fish in that same year. It gave a fish and once I gave a fish and once our classes started, gave a fish now didn't have time for

Tim Stout:

that's been eight years ago.

Dallas Kelley:

And now I've recently taken it back up once I retired from Toyota.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Did you pick up watching golf? No, he's the only guy loves golf, never.

Tim Stout:

And doesn't play, never play. never pick up a club and I love golf. Buy golf clubs are right inside my garage door. And I look at them all the time. I think about it.

Dallas Kelley:

Anybody watched the US Open this past week? tennis, tennis. I became the one girl on I don't know her name from England. I become quite a tennis first play first qualifier. Which means she had to play her way into the tournament to win a major tennis tournament. Ever. 18 years old Ellie first qualifier to to play the 19 year old and she didn't she played a teenager. So yeah, from Canada. I think somebody from Canada and somebody from England.

Tim Stout:

A lot. A lot of good tennis. You know, I was up there. I was up in New York right there about there to see a Mets game. That's Dodgers game. And I told my son I said, Jake, man, you need to get some tickets to this US Open. I think it's gonna be good thing to come up and live in New York as we'll go do it. And it was a great tournament. A lot. A lot of exciting stuff.

Dallas Kelley:

Djokovic was going to try to be the first player since Ron labor to win all four majors in one year. And he lost in the finals. straight sets, right.

Tim Stout:

I can't remember. I think I think he lost in straight sets. Yeah. He played the Russian windev menda. Web. Steve, a big tennis fan over there. No, no, we're we're baseball, right? We got big baseball game. We're going to Friday night, Friday night, three of us are going you're going to Texas re enrolling in Texas to preach. We're going to watch the hopefully the world the defending world champions. And the soon to be to Tao World Champion, Los Angeles Dodgers against the Cincinnati Reds. So that should be exciting.

Dallas Kelley:

So soon to be two time I've only won one words here.

Tim Stout:

should say back to back. Let

Dallas Kelley:

me rephrase that back to back. It was like the Dodgers had to win. Oh, yeah. They've got lots of World Championships. And we have a sub race this weekend, since you're going out of town.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, we have a sub preach coming. He worked with an organization called cross Catholic. What's that mean? across the world, they they are focused on fundraising. Not directly from the parents, but individual contribution to help third world country is under a lot of support from many bishops and priests. So he is a priest that actually assign volunteer to work for that organization. So they come to preach. So I'm going down to summersville.

Tim Stout:

You're not going to see Mom, Dad, you're going for mission appeal, mission appeal,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

but swing by see mom and dad as well. So stop by mom and dad first and then go push further down south. West, I guess, to Austin, west of Austin.

Tim Stout:

I mean, you're in the neighborhood. It's probably another two or three, four hours, right? It's

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

about four hours.

Tim Stout:

That's like I remember the first time I went to out west and I was in Seattle and my boss at the time he was from England. He said while you're out there, could you go down to Los Angeles and see some customers down there? And I'm like Seattle to Los Angeles is a long way so Texas is pretty big. So you got a lot of traveling to do lots of your driving driving drive is sufficient appeal what the church paid for you to plan for that.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Now, like pay per mile a play but you go down there then you still have to have a vehicle the rent your car to then you rent a car and it's it build up pretty quick. Yeah. You know, one trip I did recently ran a car. I think it was allowed almost no, no, it was not a trip. I ran a car because somebody scraped my truck, remember?

Tim Stout:

Oh, yeah, yeah. rental cars or not. I fix it for cars are crazy.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Right. And it was, I think $200 for a compact vehicle. $200 a day.

Tim Stout:

Yeah. It's crazy. They were $500 a day in Hawaii. Was that Yeah, and it's all because of

Dallas Kelley:

COVID. Right? People started renting you halls because they were cheaper. I use them for the car your car.

Tim Stout:

Yeah. That's what's going on his world, right? Yeah. craziness. Have you been to the grocery store lately? I haven't No. Have you been? Oh, Steve, you've been to grocery store lately, the shelves are like, empty. Pretty much what happened? There's not enough truck,

Dallas Kelley:

there's no on the way. There's milk and bread and milk and bread.

Tim Stout:

I mean, you can't, can't find truck drivers can't get goods delivered, can't get stuff out of the ports to get you know, to get from the stuff that comes in from China and a container goes into a port, you can't get him out of the ports to get the containers empty to get him back to China to fill the stuff back up. It's just it's a vicious circle. And I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better. But did the root cause is COVID. So here we are. Who would have thought in August of 2020, that we would be here in August 2021. And I've just taken let's just take a random poll. There's four of us in here who thinks 2021 is worse than 2020. As for for for like 2021 said, Hold my beer.

Dallas Kelley:

But you know, the we supposedly number wise, are the worst ever. Right? Yes. Positivity right now everything worst ever. And yet the stadiums are full. With no mask? Did they say we can't take that money below two years in a row? And we

Tim Stout:

I think that's what it is. Yeah. Do you think that's why? I mean, what else could it be? Really? It has to be money.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

You know, it's always the power of the dollar. necessary. So

Tim Stout:

I mean, it it obviously affects church. Right. We're still out that. That's still going pretty good. Right. Couple 100. There. 150 to 200.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

No, last weekend is I think 220 something. Did math.

Tim Stout:

We did mass counts last weekend, right? Yes. A couple of weeks. I mean, our attendance is is off. Overall, don't you think a

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

little bit this week? The Denon count, I would say about over 500 attendance. Yeah, but at our peak, we were well over that one we Yeah, on our peak probably 730.

Tim Stout:

It's a pretty big Well,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

if we add the the live stream this you know, Steve was mentioned that was well over 300 hit for us at Mass last week. So

Tim Stout:

yeah, we that's been good for us. And I think we got it down pretty good, though, Steve. I mean, Steve's trying to win an Emmy. Just so y'all know. Every week he's trying to win an Emmy. And he does have an Emmy. You've won an Emmy right? Seven Emmys.

Dallas Kelley:

I mean, this is me. Well, we're in royalty. This can you bring one in?

Tim Stout:

Can we just went up here? I mean, how many podcasts at this level? Have a videographer? Emmy Award winner? You got 77 time Emmy Award winner video videographer. I mean, it's amazing.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, our Paris is amazing. We don't know that. Besides Steve. About a month ago, I worked with a gentleman you know about his marriage. And he has two gold medals. And seven time world champion kickboxing. Wow. Don't mess around with that guy.

Dallas Kelley:

Don't make him. Oh,

Tim Stout:

did you tell us why? You know, the funny thing about that is I think in a parish like this, we don't know who our people are exact, right? I mean, we know because we see him at church and we give pleasantries and all those things. But do we really know who's in this parish? That's what we should do. We should find these guests that have these interesting stories. Like, I mean, maybe we'll find somebody has won seven Emmys and put them on the show. And you know,

Dallas Kelley:

nobody even knows what Steve looks like.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, he had a pretty popular Facebook post this week. He was behind the camera interview. And Chrissy Ellison, right. It's good post. Family. Five K's coming up. This weekend. I think packet pickup was last weekend family five cases weekend. Big Event in the community. So if you signed up for that, good luck this weekend. Does that

Dallas Kelley:

do anything to the masses? I don't know. That's first I heard

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

of that. First time. I thought he's over.

Dallas Kelley:

No, it's not virtual. Right. It's real. It's real. We need to find times and closings of streets and right. Wow.

Tim Stout:

Maybe we should look that up real quick. Yeah.

Dallas Kelley:

You have a sub priest coming in and there's no mass

Tim Stout:

Saturday at six is that what Steve said? Saturday September 18 6pm. So there you go. So mass will be grown on right in the middle. So pretty low attendance. I'll take that mass Dallas

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

with the street be closed. Oh,

Dallas Kelley:

yeah. Yeah. Terry.

Tim Stout:

I'm think they close military. What's what to find out about that? If anybody's watching in Dallas a text that knows the answer that question in

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

the past that we did close because of fiddly 5k.

Tim Stout:

We were closed last weekend, right? Because of the festival, the horse,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

the horse. I know that feeling 5k they block military. They block Main Street because the take off point is at Georgetown, Gideon entrance. And so that's where they start.

Unknown:

All right. Well, I'm

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

surprised Geno's don't have not informed father Lin. Gina Stewart, you hear this in trouble?

Tim Stout:

Well, I didn't mean to call such controversy right at the opening of the show. Well, yeah, I did. But it was I was hoping for a different topic. So So what else is going on? Any other current events? Don't you don't talk about anything?

Dallas Kelley:

I don't know. You want to talk about anything? I don't have a current event. Does anybody have a job? I don't have a current event. Well,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I do. Okay. A few days ago, right few day, What day? He was yesterday. And I got a phone call from a priest told me Did you hear about Christ again? That's a closing word. And so they turn out. The priest there was required by Bishop john to announce to all his parishioner, let them know that they have not been vaccinated. And so that exploded.

Tim Stout:

I actually had the audio from Oh, you do? Yes. So get us audio audio only. We bring this up, Steve, just one second already. You can use whatever graphic you want on this. Here we go. Bishop

Unknown:

has asked the father David and I father john, I'm speaking for father john make an announcement that we are not vaccinated. So people can decide if they want to attend masses where we're celebrating. And also the the priests and this is gone. This has been done throughout the diocese. Those priests that are not vaccinated are to follow the COVID protocol in the liturgy, and they are not allowed to visit the sick or elderly that are homebound. Father, john and father David, again, have not been vaccinated.

Tim Stout:

Thank you. Boom,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

there you go.

Tim Stout:

Well, you know, I said something to Steve about that. And like Steve said, Did that kind of defeat the purpose of being a priest not being able to visit the home now?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I don't know that kind of interesting. Because prior to vaccination, was priests allowed to visit holmboe? Yes, yes. Right. Yes. I remember that discussion prior to vaccination, because there was a process of talking about how to anoint people with with cotton dab and make sure that that can put somewhere and now what you're not vaccinated, and you're not allowed to do anointing play interesting, Tim,

Dallas Kelley:

my first question was, and not just this, where you see it. tons of stuff on the news. And you're a scientist, right?

Tim Stout:

I consider myself a scientist. Yes. I love numbers

Dallas Kelley:

can or does an unvaccinated person pass on the virus any more than a vaccinated person?

Tim Stout:

I have not a virus. I'll just it's a good question. And I think the problem is heard. No, that's that's the answer that I've heard as well. And I think that's obviously there's there's a lot of confusion. And you you brought it up, you know, stadiums are full. If if we were in such a grave situation right now. Witten, wouldn't we have canceled masses? Wouldn't it be live stream only? Would there be nobody in the stadiums? Wouldn't that mean you know, I think that it's become a political issue. And and, you know, now it's that news that that news made national news from our dassies made national news. Yeah, you go Catholic news agency. So, you know, I don't I don't have a solution. I mean, the bishop would say get vaccinated, that's a solution. But is it the solution to your point, right? Because if you're passing on the virus, what if a priest is has a condition? medical condition? Is does he have to come out and tell everybody that he's?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, all I talked to the priest was informed, all of them those who have not been vaccinated, we'll have to make it public. that had not been vaccinated. The thing disturbed me is it's almost create we call it The Scarlet Letter. You know, it's Derby to the point that I, maybe this coming Sunday, I will need to put on my vestment. vaccinated.

Dallas Kelley:

What was the scarlet letter? Was it an A? It was

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

a Yes, it was an A. So we have to start with the Wii, the Wii, the Wii.

Tim Stout:

You know, the the church for, for the longest time has always had an exemption for conscious objection. And I'm not talking about religious objection. There's a difference between religious objection, and forming your conscience and objecting to something, right. And that's something that the church I have forever and have been really forever. I mean, I don't ever remember it not being a part of it. And I asked, they ask our legislators to include that in legislation, every law that's ever passed. And then to get to this point, where, you know, COVID, obviously, is the most serious thing that we've faced in our lifetimes. But it's not the most serious thing that mankind's ever faced. I mean, not as serious as the bubonic plague not as serious, some would argue, is even the 1918, Spanish flu. You know, it's just different these days, because of how interconnected we are, I get that. And I'm not anti vaccination. So don't send out texts or post them on Facebook, says, Deacon, anti Vax, I'm not anti vaccination. All of my kids have been fully vaccinated for all with all this stuff. How vaccinate, you're vaccinated, you're vaccinated sees vaccinate, you know, it's not a question of that. It's just this question of where does where does personal liberty start? For someone who makes a decision based on informed conscience? And I don't have to answer that. I formed my conscience, I became vaccinated. So sounds like if you're a priest, what's the protocol there? What happens if I did, man, there's so many ethical issues there. What happens if somebody calls you up? And you're I mean, you're vaccinated. So this wouldn't apply to you. But you let's say you were unvaccinated. Somebody calls you up to come to the hospital and I was done. I wanted last rites. Are you supposed to refuse that?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

You have no faculty? The bishop already catch you already. Unless the critical the new bypass that by canon law.

Tim Stout:

I mean, I just think it brings up a lot of a lot of questions. I just one of the things I think that as as Americans that's speaking as as, as a deacon or as a Catholic, but speaking as an American now, I think one of the things has never really worked well in this country is when we tell somebody they've got to do something that's against their will. It just never ends up well. Ever. So anyway, I guess we've killed the COVID discussion guy thing I'll say on it, getting comments over there by saying

Dallas Kelley:

a few things, but okay.

Tim Stout:

Nothing, nothing urgent. Dallas is the moderator.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

But again, it for me is soon to be seen. Okay. Go be tough. You know, when Bishop john did that, they'll feel compensation in relation to a we have clergymen, you all deacons? Yep. And I do know they all deacons are not vaccinated. Yep. Or they not allow to visit the visit. I do know there are lay people, right. give out communion. homebound visit, or they put that restriction on to I don't know it. This this thing. Where are we gonna go with this?

Tim Stout:

Yeah, do we have to do we have to have a COVID card for somebody to get back to me? Yeah. COVID back

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

People go into church, or we restrict them to you know, you know, if you go in, I say, do we have to do vaccination checkup? Before you step in? Because many other institution will attempt to do that?

Tim Stout:

Yes. Yes, they will. I mean, I think there's gonna be, you know, from a secular perspective, the mandate that's coming from the government, government, the US government from from the bad administration will come through OSHA, which is will this going to issue an emergency declaration that all employers have 100 or more employees will require vaccination? That will go to the Supreme Court, I think, relatively quickly, quickly, I

Dallas Kelley:

believe, too. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

I mean, this, as I was alluding to earlier, that the supply chain in this country is messed up right now significantly, just go try to buy, I don't know, go try to buy a car, a house, you know, buy at

Dallas Kelley:

first question is, if if it's that serious, was your limit 100? Anybody?

Tim Stout:

That's a jurisdiction issue with OSHA. So I mean, I think they would do it lower if they could, but there's an enforcement side of this too, which is where I was going, you know? How are you going to enforce this? Exactly. at, you know, the government can has a lot more tools at its disposal than the church does. But the church is not a government institution. And so, you know, everybody has a right. I mean, one of the things that we hear from from Pope Francis is, is, bring everybody in, right? Bring them all in, bring them all in, you know, the other side of it is, you know, I use the pro abortion argument, my body my choice that gets thrown out the door. And and so as a woman, you know, you're affecting other people. We're on abortion, you're killing a baby. You know, I mean, there's just, I mean, there's just so many things that don't jive that, yeah, that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And I do put my scientist hat on Dallas, because I do still kind of keep track of the numbers a lot. And, and I'll be honest with you, you know, the statistics that I see are quite staggering. But the actions as a result of the statistics are so different this time. And I'm not just talking about lock downs. I'm not saying I'm not suggesting lock downs, or any of that stuff, but just, you know, fans in the stands. I mean, that's, that's a huge one

Dallas Kelley:

with low mass and right beside each other, right, school.

Tim Stout:

Middle School is another one of those things. totally different. And I'm glad I mean, my wife says, obviously, a school teacher and, you know, it's it's hard on her teaching with a mask on, but I think she'd rather be doing that than she would be, you know, zooming zooming? Yeah, cuz zooming is horrible. And the kids, you know, it's a lot better for them this way than what's zooming because, you know, they're gonna, it's gonna take years to catch these kids up years. So, I hope it I mean, the church has already been hurt. I mean, the whole country's been hurt bad by COVID. But the church has been especially hurt back COVID and especially the Catholic Church, because, you know, our live streaming and canceling those masses is different. We've talked about this on this show, is different for the Catholics for a Catholic than it is for any other denomination. Correct. And when, when a when a Catholic person has a faith that allows them to walk away from that, because they don't have to go to Mass. They don't maybe they were marginal on the real presence. And now, you know, our church, our society, the culture today has basically told somebody, hey, it's, it's not really that important. You can just watch it on TV. That's different for us. And it it to me, you know, I don't know what the long term effects are going to be, but is going to be super challenging for us to get back to. If we're at 500 to get back to 700. It will take 10 plus years. I think that's my last one. Do you think it'll have any impact on clergy as far as I mean, there's not a protocol I guess there's a protocol for for a deacon to take a leave of absence I guess there's a I'm assuming there's a protocol for a priest to take a leave of absence if he wants to.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, there is a port of call but to be the expectation whether Bishop john put out a call abrupt. There's not really a standard a ways to deal with a situation. So the question for me personally asked, so if that two priests like at the cathedral, they have the most parishioner right Both of them being hung from any homebound visit whatsoever if they persist in not being vaccinated. So what will do? What will happen to that ministry?

Tim Stout:

The person or said, exactly. I got I've got some hospitals over there. Just a few relatively close.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So that's a lot. So right now all this very ambiguity for hours of waiting was so what the next protocol the bishop John's gonna put it out. So, but you know, just I spent a lot of time conversation with a lot of priests, you know, yes, last night yesterday, to see some perspective, but nobody's really know anything. What will happen? So?

Dallas Kelley:

Well, you think, Hey, man, I was busy trying to get back online or something froze up. Oh, I thought we lost our broadcast. Can you repeat all that?

Tim Stout:

Oh, you're cracking me up Dallas, Dallas Kelly. So hey, we're supposed to talk about the topic of the day.

Dallas Kelley:

The person of Jesus Christ. you clarify that? Well,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I think you should.

Dallas Kelley:

What kind of person was Jesus Christ? They might have any comments.

Tim Stout:

Well, he uses a second person of the Trinity.

Dallas Kelley:

Right? Did he have any natures? Did he have Jesus nature to nature's

Tim Stout:

human nature and a divine nature? He was 100% human.

Dallas Kelley:

How many wheels did he have? He was two

Tim Stout:

wheels, wheels will wheel wills, wheels. divan, we

Dallas Kelley:

own a human wheel. Right? What else before we get to the main 1%? Human 100% of that 100% human? But here's the key point here. And there you go. You're ready. Anybody out there? anybody watching? I know you're commenting on stuff comment on this already? Was Jesus a human? person?

Tim Stout:

No, let's

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

say, human,

Dallas Kelley:

human. My wife gets on me all the time for not making ah sounds human. You made in human humanity. And you. Jesus was not a divine

Unknown:

or human, you're human person

Dallas Kelley:

person.

Tim Stout:

There you go.

Dallas Kelley:

He was a divine person. He somebody said sinless. He was sinless.

Tim Stout:

Yes, he was sinless, without said, but

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

that's why he is the divine person that is sinless.

Dallas Kelley:

Well, Mary was sinless. Mary was Spanish and she was a human person. You know, this is confusing, cold trying to figure all that out. I'm glad somebody smarter than me figured all that out. Because I would have guessed Jesus was a human person. And divine person. But he wasn't he was just a divine person. Right?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

He is the person. divinely Yes. That's it. All right.

Tim Stout:

Nobody's commenting. That's great.

Dallas Kelley:

So they must all get it. They must all get it. Okay.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

The point is Why? What make that special, significant in his redemption? That's very important to ask. If he is a human person, human person, can he save us?

Tim Stout:

No, no.

Dallas Kelley:

has to be gone. Yeah. Or he would have just sent Moses or somebody else to save

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

it. He had to be the divine person in order to save

Dallas Kelley:

it still mogh modeling when you try to break all that down?

Tim Stout:

Interesting. Cuban person. So when we put this topic together, this is our part to hear the person of Jesus Christ. What did what was your thoughts on what you wanted to kind of? relay?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I think it's important like today I was preaching to the kids. The exaltation of the cross. You know, too many of us we kind of okay, the cross we all were one right. I asked the kid How many of you see this? I held up in your home. Only a handful of them got it. Really? Yeah. Wow. How many of you see this in the classroom? A lot of them Morehead

Tim Stout:

but all the classrooms haven't? Yeah. I do know how I'm better have you know

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

a lot of them know what it is so I talked about it you know, I talked about the exalted or cross you know, but that crossed me so I made more graphic. In modern day we probably say exaltation of the electric chair or the exalt exaltation of the news you know that joke pyboard neck and that I let them hear the whole story how the Rome and kill people describe them through this. But yet God conquer that you know how important it is to be reminded with that crucifixion? You know why the church put that thing at the center? You remember the time was back in the 70s up to 80 Jesus no longer on that crucifix you know, we have a resurrect Jesus, yeah, we have all this cute Jesus chain

Tim Stout:

chain broken chains.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

And then the church put that corpse on there. That's the reason

Dallas Kelley:

why even Paul said, I preach Jesus, we preach Jesus crucified,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

crucify it. My fear that we kind of laws, Jesus kind of been put him into a box, you know, and not any box, a kind of that cut diver, nice chocolate box. Making really cute, you know, but instead of truly see his redemption and that bring about so I told the kid I challenged them, make sure touch the cross. Before you go bad cold up there and touch it. Before you go in a classroom. Everybody touch it. Before you leave the classroom touching. You know, it can't be reminded. So the same thing, that's why me that topic, a person of Jesus Christ. It's so critical. Because if we lost that that important, you know, like people now they kids, they know more about the story of Batman. You don't say they can tell you the whole legend of Batman. But the conductor, the legend of Jesus Christ. And that is what the backbone and the core of what we believe.

Dallas Kelley:

And just like this weekend, the the ratings Jesus asked who do people say that I yeah. And I listened to your homily. He was pretty good. You talked about commitment. It can't be a partial commitment. It's got to be a full commit. You can't just say yes, Jesus, I love you, and then go sit on the couch

Tim Stout:

is it's a call, it's a call to action. The cross is a call to action. That's right. It's a call to change. who you are. And the model yourself after that cross.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Exactly. You know,

Tim Stout:

it's ironically, there's one of the first homily that I ever gave was on the exaltation of the cross. It was actually a number mine. It was number five, and had a quote here. I think it's a great quote from St. Theodore of studium. How splendid the cross of Christ it brings life, not death, by darkness. paradise, not its loss. It is the wood on which the Lord like a great warrior was wounded in hands and feet and sad, but healed our wounds. A tree has destroyed us a tree now brings us life.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Made you go. You see that a deep reflection of that is right.

Tim Stout:

I mean it that's that's salvation history. Right there those three sentences salvation history, you probably would go a little deeper than that. But

Dallas Kelley:

yeah, why don't we read salvation history at the Easter Vigil?

Tim Stout:

All 22.4 ratings? No, I mean, I think it was think about this other day before we were talking about this, that that we we hear the store we hear the gospel in such a way now. That it becomes it doesn't become just a story.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Right? You know, irrelevant. Yeah,

Tim Stout:

it's, it's so long ago, you know, no, I'm saved. You know, through faith I had works right faith and works. You know, like you said, Batman's a bigger story than the Jesus Christ and and if we can't get our kids and our adults really to embrace the humanity of Jesus We're in trouble.

Unknown:

Exactly.

Tim Stout:

Because by embracing that humanity, it's what? It's what we're called to do. It's, it's, it's how we become better people I don't, I don't become a better person because I do something that Dallas does. fatherland does. Right? I do something because I emulate what Jesus taught us to do. Now, you may do some of those things, and I may emulate those off of you. But you know, the bottom line is, there has to be this relationship with that person. That divine, that divine person. Right, because he's perfection, right? I mean, and I think in our, in the world today, we, we hear a lot of sound bites. I mean, even if Pope Francis does this, too, he creates ambiguity. ambiguity, ambiguity.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

ambiguity, yeah.

Tim Stout:

He's ambiguous. Because it's like, you know, who am I to judge? Right? Well, there's more to that story. Right? You got to finish that. Right. And I think that's what happens a lot of times in our, in our church today is people hone in on a verse. They take it out of context. And it becomes their gospel, not the gospel. And it gives

Dallas Kelley:

them permission to keep doing what they're doing that the Church says, You can't do that, you know.

Tim Stout:

And, you know, I'm all for, you know, Pope Francis, you know, all are welcome. Come on, in, bring all your baggage with you. Come on in.

Dallas Kelley:

But once they're in there, but once you're inside,

Tim Stout:

not all things go.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

COVID father Ron, not? Oh, welcome. But not all things go.

Dallas Kelley:

I think I probably did hear that. And then once they're in, what are you going to hear? What are you going to tell him? You know,

Tim Stout:

I just think if, if we can't get that right, then everything starts to fall down in our faith. You know, whether you're talking about when life begins abortion, whether you're talking about gay marriage, I mean, you preach about that. gave a list this weekend, right? I understand, you know, I

Dallas Kelley:

gave him a long list. But every time I gave a talk to him, every time I could see father laying over there going, Oh,

Tim Stout:

but if, but this, this theology of our church, what in what makes it so great, is it's all connected. And if you start stripping things away, then you've got these little silos that just blow over. Exactly. And, you know, that's not what, that's not the faith that I that I love, that's not the faith that I strive to be better at. Every chance I get, you know, I'm not perfect, none of us are perfect. We all we're all pretty good centers, you know, we've got that down pretty good. But, you know, you still have to strive to, to change who you are, when you're in a, in a, you know, in an environment or in a task or in a job or in a situation where you have a choice to make between what Jesus taught us to do what he instructed us to do, because he didn't, he didn't throw out the old law. He fulfilled it. But we'd like to, we'd like to hear people say, Well, I know he really got rid of that. I got rid of that. Love. It's all just love. Loves a big part of it. Yeah, but it's not everything. That's right.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

But it has turned into a catchphrase. Instead of you know, the love of Jesus talk about is a require a lot of commitment. Is that a feeling bubbling? Right? But it's about accepting all will have the good and isn't it act of the will and is require a lot of commitment. So for me, to return to the fundamental what we are at the person of Jesus Christ, that give us the backbone, if you will thought that the ground to build on to recover. What is missing, I think is important. So is require a lot more conversation. Because if we don't recover those, because everybody will fill in the gap. You know, Jesus, the baby lover. Jesus is a nice guy Jesus teaser to love.

Dallas Kelley:

Yeah, I mean, even Paul says something is lacking in the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. I mean, that's biblical. And that really makes our Protestant brothers and sisters uncomfortable. I've had many conversations, but what is lacking is our participation. To that suffering and death on the cross, we have to say yes to it and follow through with not just He died on the cross. And I sit back, I don't have to do and that's why he's

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

so removed. Right. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

I mean, I think that's one of the things that really separates us from the Protestants really, if you really want to get down to just the core theology, and that is, you faith we pray it was the one race this weekend, right? Faith and works, right. Show me faithful that works. show you a lot of a lot of emptiness. And and I mean, it would be to me, it would be so easy to say, yeah, I've saved squat about my life. And I think that's what COVID is kind of kind of doing to us. As a church. You know, we I'm Catholic. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I had to go to church this weekend. I don't need to receive Communion. Yeah. I still love I love everybody. I'm good.

Dallas Kelley:

I'm good. I'm a good person. You haven't you hear that a lot. I'm not going I'm going to heaven. I'm a good person, you know, more to it than that.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So those are some lens, I think it's important for further conversation at the church as a catechist. As, as Minister, we have to be in dwelling aware how important that is. So we can do our job to recover that at least in some capacity. You know, for me this morning, same thing, talk with the good about the exalted lacrosse, I was adamant about it. About how important it is a home should have a crucifix should have if not every rooms,

Tim Stout:

how many crucifix you get your house?

Dallas Kelley:

Well, I stoled one and put it in my classroom. I probably got 410 we

Tim Stout:

got I probably got a lot of crosses. I probably got four or five. crucifixes. I mean, it tells people who you are. Exactly. If a

Dallas Kelley:

burglar ever breaks in, he's gonna know what kind of house he's broken into. You too, I think, don't you have a wall full of crosses,

Tim Stout:

I did have two walls full across, actually. So I mean, you know, it means something to me. You know it. It's a goal. And not that I want to have to die for my faith in that way. But to know that, you know, Jesus went through what he went through. For all of us, not just me, but for everyone. It just, it takes the this, this concept of love to something that, that it's hard to understand. You have to you have to accept that type of love through faith, because you can't comprehend it. No, the closest thing I think we get is the love for, for a mother for a child. But it goes beyond that. Right? It's the love of a mother for a child she doesn't know, or the love of a father for a guy he doesn't even though I mean, it's just, it's so hard for us to understand it that I don't do we we have to put it into a mystery of our faith that that love that Jesus embodies for us that that, you know, gave us in human terms, what it meant to do, what it what it meant to love. It just it's so hard for us to understand. I don't think we can truly really understand it.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Right? But for me, we need more sacramental than ever, you know that, that thing that signifies something to remind us, you know, your university does wonder with that, you know, license plate or, you know, Kentucky football, you know, it's marketing, marketing. Yeah. And we as Catholic Christian, we suck in marketing, often necessary stuff. You know, I showed you were right there, you know, look, really, you know, don't be afraid you'll be a saint, and lead real call. It's all the same name in there.

Tim Stout:

There's a lot of lot of inner church. It's amazing. Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

And we fail, beginning with the best sim symbol in a church or icon, if you will, the crucifix of Jesus Christ.

Dallas Kelley:

I mean, I often repeat this and I repeated to my class, all three of my classes last week. They and I've got this from somebody years ago. What's the only difference between saints in us? One difference, they chose to be one. That's all. That's it. All it takes is you to choose to be a saint, and you can make it happen.

Tim Stout:

But the other important part to remember though, is every single one of those saints. Sin,

Dallas Kelley:

sand. Yeah, yeah. Please send before them except for Mary.

Tim Stout:

Right. She was a human person without sin, the one human person without great conversation guys. Do you know the one guy that the one? There's one person in our lifetime? Currently there's been more than one that really understood marketing the Catholic Church is Bishop Baron. Oh, yeah. Your friend you preached about? Yeah, yeah. So you're gonna get him on the show. Right?

Dallas Kelley:

Y'all like that? You should be Yeah, show.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I haven't time to call you. Well,

Tim Stout:

I think what we could do is we could do a road trip.

Dallas Kelley:

Right to the California LA.

Tim Stout:

He's in. He's in. He's in LA. You know, the Dodgers might. It might

Dallas Kelley:

just be timed at a dodgeball game. coincidental.

Tim Stout:

So you hook it up. We'll get some sponsors to fly us out there. And we'll we'll we'll do a podcast live with Bishop Aaron. In LA LA. Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

It can happen.

Tim Stout:

Steve, can you get credentialed for that? Bishop burn great, great marketing guy. I mean, really? In a great catechist. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's his. He's doing what he was born to do it for sure. So, you know, this is the first episode of this show where we didn't have the 26th Sunday or Friday, ordinary time or whatever. It was the expectation across first time we've had a feast day on our show.

Dallas Kelley:

And it was a solemnity, two readings that I write, to reading.

Tim Stout:

And so for those of you that don't know about the exaltation of the cross, we're getting ready to give it to you because the exploitation of the cross even though it's not a person, human or divine is the sign of the day. So Steve, are you ready?

Unknown:

This is Franciscan media saint of the day for September 14. Today we celebrate the exaltation of the Holy Cross. This feast celebrates the finding of the cross on which Jesus died in Jesus's day across was a threat to anyone who defied Rome's authority. Through Jesus's death, it became a symbol of victory. In the fourth century, St. Helena, mother of the Roman Emperor Constantine, went to Jerusalem in search of the holy places of Christ's life. Among those was the temple of Aphrodite, thought to be built over the tomb of Jesus, Constantine ordered the Basilica of the Holy Sepulchre to be built on that site. During the process of excavation and construction, workers found three crosses. Legend has it that the one on which Jesus died was identified when it's touch healed a dying woman. That cross immediately became an object of veneration, both Catholic and Orthodox churches in the East celebrate the exploitation of the Holy Cross today, on the anniversary of the dedication of the Basilica. The Feast entered the western church calendar in 629, after the cross was recovered from the Persians, who had carried it off 15 years earlier, there's more about the saints along with inspiration and Catholic resources at our website, Saint of the day.org. From Franciscan media, this has been st of the day,

Tim Stout:

Saint of the day, across bound by St. Helena, mother of Constantine, a lot of history there. They still teach that history and religion class.

Dallas Kelley:

I haven't come across it yet. A year just started I haven't looked at all three and

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

not know that until I was in Jerusalem. And we were there the holy supplicant. Yeah, one of them at the site. And they talked about whether discover the cross and and then you know, that's how all that came about.

Tim Stout:

Great. Great story, though. They identified it because it healed somebody. I mean, just, you know, great story. The other thing is separates us from our Protestant powers for relics.

Dallas Kelley:

Can you remember a story one of our professors told us he was having to be a priest during classes, where they were in trouble to turon the Shroud of Turin, Turin, Turin and they happen to be at this church and they just looked around just the two of them and felt Open door and let's just door go to they walked upstairs next thing you know, there's the shroud right in front of them just the two of them in a room with the shroud. You remember that?

Tim Stout:

They would have you know they would have yeah that's another Have you been there to this router turn Hey you got pilgrimage coming up to you have talked about that on one of the shows coming up. You're going if we can make it everything gets canceled. Thanks COVID great show guys. Next show will be hopefully in a couple of weeks 25th set right 28th 28th it'll be the day after my birthday. This week. Got a lot of birthdays going on here Dallas 60 I'll be 53 Padre will be 53 in December right December 8 so so we'll be back in two weeks prior to continue in this vein I think maybe more about the person of Jesus Christ expand a little bit on the that the theology a little bit depth. So if you've got any if you have any topics or you know some interesting parishioners Good, good topic of conversation today if you know somebody that's got an interesting story like I mean, kickboxer has got gold medal. Or a photographer, he's got some Emmys, you know, whatever. Because, you know, next week next time we're here, we're gonna have an Emmy sitting right here. 707.

Dallas Kelley:

I put all seven out there. We don't

Tim Stout:

need to break. He's probably has like a special Pelican special brief case that carries them all. He probably takes them to Thanksgiving dinner. So if you got anybody that has some interesting stories, let us know, love to hear him. And especially if it ties in to the faith that somebody doesn't necessarily have to, but they know Steve's using his abs to spread the word. I mean, we couldn't do what we do without Steve, and we thank him for it over there. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, instrumental in what we're doing as part of this small ministry here and also live streaming, so good work. If you're not a follower of on Facebook here, give us a follow. And if you listen to us on podcast, you know, we still get about 2025 downloads a week on podcast across all 37 episodes. So interesting. That still happens. So if you're listening to us on the podcast, download some other episodes, but leave us a review or subscribe and also support our ministries. Ss f j.org is a short one long what's up on the screen for you, ss f j.org you can support all of our ministries there you can donate weekly, it's the way I do it electronically makes it easy. You don't have to worry about somebody touching your envelope. Because you know nobody wants to touch an envelope these days. So give electronically. Tell your friends about it. Spread the word. Y'all got anything else? No, no, no, that's it. Dallas, would you be so bad that give us your blessing, please.

Dallas Kelley:

The peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, we were the soul And with your spirit, and May almighty God bless us in this room and everyone out there listening. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Amen. him

Tim Stout:

a beer. And next until next time I'm taking.

Dallas Kelley:

I'm taking Dallas.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I'm Father Lynn.

Unknown:

Good. Did you ever stop and think why spend too much time skating? I don't know a single thing that I haven't noticed.

Musician:

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