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Episode 37 - The Return

• Deacon Tim Stout, Deacon Dallas Kelley, Father Linh Nguyen • Season 3 • Episode 37

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After an unintended and longer than expected break, the Deacons return to discuss what has been happening over the past 3 months.  And we also talked about the Person of Jesus Christ and what it means to all Catholics.

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Tim Stout:

Hey, live from the cardones studio and the Georgetown, Kentucky area. Today is August 16 2021. Tuesday, the 20th week in Ordinary Time, and this is deacons, discussions and drinks.

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Tim Stout:

Good evening, everybody. And welcome to the cardones studio for another exciting discussion with the deacons. I'm Deacon Tim Stout.

Dallas Kelley:

Do you can Dallas Kelly,

Tim Stout:

I'm falling when I was cut you off there. We're, we're, we're a little out of practice. Well, that was a long break.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

wait too long.

Dallas Kelley:

Three months? Not long enough.

Tim Stout:

May 21 2021 was the last show by the way. I think a lot has changed in three months. To many COVID down going. It was going away. Now it's now it's everything's Delta. And we're not talking about the airlines. We're talking about COVID back. So what's been going on last three months, guys? Anybody got a? anything going on?

Dallas Kelley:

that's been going around around here is their father. New School.

Tim Stout:

We only say this first before y'all say if you're listening to this on Tuesday, you're live most likely. If you're listening to it on Friday or anything the other day then Tuesday, August 16. Then you're recorded but tomorrow's a big day here on the car. Oh

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

yeah. Tomorrow we first day of school a new a new buildings we have. Yes. And everybody's excited about it. So even we have a new religion teacher. That's

Dallas Kelley:

way down. No school

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

doesn't matter. Bring them up right away right before I fall asleep.

Dallas Kelley:

That's true. Now that'll be tomorrow.

Tim Stout:

We have a new what's the official title? Middle School religion, major story or something? Something's he's not a teacher, the rest of your clergy. Right. He's clergies clergy. So what's the topic for tomorrow's class?

Dallas Kelley:

Well, there's three separate topics for different classes. Wow. I wish I could keep them all on the same topic. It'd be a lot easier on me, but the books don't flow that way.

Tim Stout:

No, they don't. That's why they have different grades. Would you like to sit in on my class tomorrow?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Oh, I love to. I think we should do okay. April live from live from his class. Yeah,

Tim Stout:

we'll just put a camera in there. Steve, you free tomorrow? We just go on air will broadcast it out to everybody. I think that would be great. So we're not gonna do that to Dallas. We're gonna let you get your feet. We're gonna let you get your feet wet. So should be exciting. Are

Dallas Kelley:

you nervous? Bow I sub several times before?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah. I think it's good nature heats is second nature term. Kids love him. He could have a good way of approaching it. I saw that many times.

Dallas Kelley:

Yeah, am I bringing the ruler back like the old nines? I was like the nines. I used to be in trouble.

Tim Stout:

Yeah. I think you'd be in trouble right away. That we no doubt in my mind

Dallas Kelley:

and the things I was saying about this the other day. The things I was reminiscing when I was in class, the things I've seen kids getting grabbed by the shirt collar thrown up against the wall.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, I was a troublemaker. Y'all might find it hard to believe. But I was a troublemaker in grade school. So and my principal was a nine but she she also had taught my dad in grade school.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

We got Oh,

Tim Stout:

yeah, she was old sister, Sylvester sister. So my sister, my brother, a member,

Dallas Kelley:

he told me a story, I think. And if he's listening, I'm not sure if I remember right, but homework assignment. He did his homework, but he did the wrong page. Slap across the face. For doing the wrong homework.

Tim Stout:

I got a couple rulers broken over my back so I'm not embarrassed to say it. made me a better man down the road so well.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Not anymore. I can't do that anymore.

Tim Stout:

Times have changed so new school tomorrow. It's pretty nice place. I like it. It's

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

big, big.

Dallas Kelley:

You had to come over new Remy square feet.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Is it 7900?

Tim Stout:

I mean, it's big. It's big. I mean, you got a hallway. You got one big hallway. Yeah, I

Dallas Kelley:

heard a teacher saying the other day at orientation. So first time we're gonna have to tell our kids don't run

Tim Stout:

in the hallway.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

It's a new there's a new room policy of established for that. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

Just to talk about hallway hallway only

Dallas Kelley:

we have a chance to talk about the hallway. Don't rub your hands on the walls. That was another one we talked about. I

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

think everybody excited. Everybody excited. We'll see what what is envelop for me actually the ABF janco downtown because the two trailer so called classroom rehab. It's been removed. three fourths? Yeah, three, four of it's gone. Now one, one modular? Was 30 years old. And the other 120 years old.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, I remember when they put those in. But I was down. I had to swing by pick some equipment for tonight. But it looks different. Looks very, very different. So folks coming into the campus Sunday morning, Saturday night, Sunday morning. It'll look different. So progress, right. All we put up that progress and that property is for sale. Right for sale. And I think I think given those trailers out there will probably change that perspective a little bit for potential buyers being able to see you know what it looks like without these big, old dilapidated trailer sitting on site. So

Dallas Kelley:

do we have two big hoes sitting there?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, we have to figure it out how to either feel that up or see what happened. Oh, mark it off. So some type of fencing around it. I was

Tim Stout:

thinking I want on the one is removed all the way I think that had asphalt underneath it.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

No, no. It's open spot. So

Dallas Kelley:

shall we actually put them there before we pave the parking lot? Wow.

Tim Stout:

Think about that. That's old school. So what else has been going on? We got a new grand night. Yeah, go Knights of Columbus meeting tomorrow night for so many nights listening tonight. Hope you're planning on going to the meeting tomorrow night. But James Drummond new grand night, shake things up a little bit doing things a little bit different. So should be exciting. I know. You've got another meeting tomorrow night. So I'm not sure if you're making the night's meeting or not. But it's our first non business or separating business and society. So that should be exciting. I'm excited about that. Unfortunately, or fortunately, however, you will get it I get to go to both of those meetings. But it's all it's all good. All progress. So excited about that.

Dallas Kelley:

I guess. I'm sorry. Good. Now, what's the new mass schedule? What was that? Well,

Tim Stout:

three months ago we were

Dallas Kelley:

but but it's the current one is the current

Tim Stout:

one. But three months ago when we last met here. We were still outside at card home and now we are still

Dallas Kelley:

outside accardo in some different locations.

Tim Stout:

I have to say I have been to the Grotto mash yet. Can y'all believe that? Wow.

Dallas Kelley:

He been there. Yeah. See how he manages all he does the schedule. That's the one you got to do to in one day. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

Well, I was sick one weekend. You know, so give me a little cut me a little slack on that but wasn't wasn't intentional. So how's that going? Pretty good. Yeah. Still a lot of people,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

the most attended people. And then the bishop is coming on the 29th to do mass outdoor. And then I think both of you volunteer to be with a bishop, right?

Dallas Kelley:

Yeah, you volunteered this.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I think it's a good idea bishops coming. So he's coming to I think, you know, our new principal want him to be there to kind of dedicate the new buildings and the mayor gonna be there too, I think. So there's some activity going on after that. So

Tim Stout:

I saw you blessed the buildings today, but that's different from dedicating them correct.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

He wouldn't have to be blachford dedicated later, when he put a stamp on it. And the

Dallas Kelley:

way we're gonna have an altar band 29 No, concrete altar.

Tim Stout:

Is the mayor's come? Is he coming from mass? Or should he just come in for the dedication? So we're gonna have mass with the bishop and then the dedication snipe part of mass butts afterward? Yeah, gotcha. Gotcha. So the color scheme looks good. Yeah, the whole thing's coming together pretty good. So I think if you have been out here, you're gonna find it really nice. A lot of other stuff going on in our parish to hit a lot of funerals in the last three months.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yes. is interesting enough, not just us. Like for sale last week at the end of six funeral? You know, we kind of climb up there with four. So it kind of stacking up. It's just I don't

Tim Stout:

know. But we've we've combined the best of my knowledge. We haven't had any COVID related deaths in the parish halfway.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yes, we got two. Okay. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

What's the mistake? Did you know that you're not getting happy on that button right there. So anything else going off where we moved to real current events versus just catching people up on what's been going on the last three months? Anything else going on last three months? Oh, somebody wants to know what happened to your handouts.

Dallas Kelley:

I see a pop up. Nobody text.

Tim Stout:

Linda Kelly. Do you know Linda Kelly?

Dallas Kelley:

A little bit. I kind of grew up where

Tim Stout:

Linda wants to know what happened to

Dallas Kelley:

I had an MRI done today and I'll find out what's wrong with it. I got kind of severe pain going through my fingers in hand. I got a big knot that's developed on top.

Tim Stout:

You self diagnose

Dallas Kelley:

correct and I had an MRI. I think it's a ganglion cyst. That will have to be removed because I can't live with pain. Do my fingers right now.

Tim Stout:

Can you give the spelling out so people can Google that? what's the what's what causes that?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Don't know? Too much fishing.

Tim Stout:

Oh. Is it good? Or has it affected your fishing?

Dallas Kelley:

Yes, it has because I haven't fished in a couple weeks. tarda real? That's my reeling hand these had to you yeah. And I was fishing with it hurt and but it got worse. So I had to stop.

Tim Stout:

You need to get one of those electric grills or you just push a button and rails itself man. Have you seen those?

Dallas Kelley:

I have a Tam farmer I think might have one he used to host the Kentucky field. He's only got one on there you go.

Tim Stout:

So you need to make accommodations for him father, just in case you're wondering if

Dallas Kelley:

you might be with the bishop by yourself.

Tim Stout:

Alright, moving right along. Let's talk about current events. What's been going on in the church here lately? Anything? Anybody want to bring up anything exciting going

Dallas Kelley:

on in the church? While three things popped up, man you got a well might not be considered church, but you got an earthquake in Haiti. You got the Afghan people running for their lives and Cardinal bark is now on a ventilator. All three things.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, that's it's pretty crazy. Because Cardinal Burke was I guess maybe a kind of outspoken against the vaccination. Right. So right. And I think I saw Dr. Stanton today posted something about vaccination, saying he was as frustrated as he's ever been, because a lot of people he's seen now refuse vaccination in there that some of these folks are not. So not that I'm pushing the vaccine one way or another. I think you make your own choice and you pick your choice and you live with it. So the whole Afghan thing though, is I have mixed emotions about that.

Dallas Kelley:

People falling off on airplanes. Do you see that?

Tim Stout:

You know, I went to New Are you on all this? I went to New York this weekend. And I was probably in I don't know, seven or eight taxis and Ubers or whatever. And, and I chatted up when I'm with those guys in the car for some, some time, had a couple guys from Nepal to Tajikistan, I think was one, Pakistan had a couple guys. And we were just just talking about, you know, COVID and Afghanistan and stuff. And you know, every one of those guys that I didn't coerce this out of them, but every one of them said, they told me their story, how they got here, but every one of them said, this is the greatest country in the world. And anybody that tells you anything different, is wrong. And doesn't mean we're perfect. We obviously are an imperfect nation. But, you know, there's they left everything, because they wanted something better. And that's what this country offers is something better. And I think the Afghan people are showing that

Dallas Kelley:

to tragedy, you know, they're willing to jump on planes and

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

go, that's what you know, fall off. My family was so interesting when there was two images of the fall of Saigon, April 30 1975. And the image of, of the president tried to get out of his powers. And it's, it's identical.

Tim Stout:

This cat out of Afghanistan, though, he he left early. I heard today that he left with some cash, too. Did you hear that story? I haven't heard that he had a plane that loaded up some SUVs or full, full of cash is what their latest rumor is. So where do you go? How do you know? I don't think I've heard where he went. You know, they gotta find a sound somewhere or some something? I don't know. I mean, but there is a lot of correlation between Vietnam and Afghanistan. Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Shane kind of said, is similar.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, I mean, at least with the Chinese government, you have a government. Here, we've got

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Taliban,

Tim Stout:

the Taliban. Well, who knows what that's gonna look like. So I did see where they were imploring people to come back to work. Did you see this? The headline today? I guess, so many people have left, that they're now worried that there's going to be a collapse of whatever services had been in place. So, you know, they're, they're telling people, hey, come back where we want you to work. We don't

Dallas Kelley:

people with rifles have to eat too.

Tim Stout:

I mean, it just, I don't know, it's like I said, I've got mixed emotions about it. Because when I think about, you know, 20 years of war, that's the longest war that we've ever had. Yeah. And, you know, to think that what what's really been accomplished in the sacrifice of so many people and you know, it's, it's, it's a tragedy, it just, there's no other way to describe it. We should learn from the Russians, right? Because the Russians had tried it. I don't think they tried it for 20 years. I think they tried it for 10 or 15. But it will be very interesting to see how that all unfolds. And we just got to pray for those. Pray for those folks. Right. And then Haiti, he gets another earthquake. Why is it that Haiti is on the same island as the Dominican Republic, and we never hear anything bad about the Dominican Republic that we hear everything bad about Haiti.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

corruption.

Tim Stout:

That's the only difference. I mean, crazy crazy. Anybody got any other current events over there, Padre? No, that's too much. Cardinal Burke. Any last words on any thoughts on that?

Dallas Kelley:

Now I just write for I came, I've seen

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

any comment on the pope or on the modal popeil on the Latin mass? Oh, that's a rowdy bunch.

Tim Stout:

Well, the other thing walking around New York, Jake, my son, I think I walked like, 12. Swift kid. But I saw all kinds of Mary and I masses. I mean, just all kinds of different Catholic right. churches that didn't see. I don't think I saw any, any that look like they were Latin mass, but there's a lot of rights out there that happen on a regular basis. And there will still continue to be a lot of Latin masses, right? They just can't use the 1953 missiles that I have that right. So the right date. Dallas, I think is correct.

Dallas Kelley:

But that don't sound right. But cc five, that's all.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, no, it was all the approve.

Tim Stout:

They can use that one again,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

that's outside of that nothing else can be used. Right.

Tim Stout:

And I think the ones that'll some of the folks like to use this the one that's older than that, right. And I think 59 that's Pius the 10th. So there's still gonna be Latin masses. Matt, let me rephrase that there's still gonna be masses that are set in the Latin language. But it has to do with the translation more than has to do with language. Am I correct in saying that?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

No, I think follow. I read the letter that the Pope said to all the bishop while he sent this stuff out, that there was a great concern. In his understanding when Pope Benedict 16 open up for this opportunity for the Latin in hoping for more communal relationship, okay. And his turn now, many individual more liken, take the opportunity and, and run with it to the point they abandon the Vatican to, to the point is become very sectarian in that perspective

Tim Stout:

kind of schismatic like,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

a schematic and they actually, to the point basically say vatika to Mads is not correct. Okay. And so he quite impressive about it, that's why he wants to make sure all the bishop will be the one who make a decision on that, because prior to that, you know, priests can often mass land anytime. And then you know, that's why he asked, beside know how to celebrate mass and Latin, but make sure you know, the pastoral care as well. Okay. It's quite interesting just did not know how far it went. But I have a chance to talk to father, Mark Fisher, who, you know, at St. Francis of Assisi with a sacred cell with us that actually do Latin mass evey education or to being with him. And it's amazing how many groups all they're out there split splinter groups is splinter all over the place. You know, I didn't know that was part of the 10. There's a group called pi the fifth. And then the four pi at the fifth is amazing, as a lot of folks,

Tim Stout:

so when the Catholics like to talk about the splinter groups in the Protestant, we just like to think that there's nothing going on in the Catholic Church. There's plenty of splinters going on at the candidature.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yes. And so, but the other day was interesting. Harold sim sent me a picture. He was in Calvin's, and it took a picture said to me, You were there? I was saying, Oh,

Tim Stout:

I saw it. I was like, What is that?

Dallas Kelley:

What is that?

Tim Stout:

There was we parked on Water Street, I guess. And there were these four men over on the platform. They kind of look over the waterworks there. And they were all in Roman Catholics and berettas Oh, yeah. And one of one of them was dressed like a bishop. And he is. Can I say, What? What's that? That's it must be a costume party. You know, it just, it just was odd. Oh, yeah. So but I guess you knew who they were revisiting group or something? Or

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

do yeah. Father mark is concerned. They make them way here. They weren't one of those fraudulent group two of you will if we call them fraudulent, and they in Boston, Kentucky,

Dallas Kelley:

you know what they go under? I mean, what name? Um,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I lost my memory of that. But they they is you can google and find that Bishop,

Tim Stout:

or for fraudulent or schismatic? Which one what's what's the proper terminology? I mean, you know, it just, it just didn't, it was really odd because they walked down. We went to the Gavin's and sat down, were eaten and we were in the bar area. And we were looking out and they walk down the street and they kind of looked into Windows, and then they walked on down the street about 10 or 15 minutes later, they came back and open the door and then close the door and they left we never saw they never came in or anything. It was just odd.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I thought they came in. No, they never came in. Well,

Tim Stout:

let's they came back after we left.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I think you left he actually took a picture they set all around the table having beer. That's why here is say yeah, even they're Catholic

Tim Stout:

that even right. There had a beer that they're Catholic for sure.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So it's quite interesting on that one. I

Tim Stout:

never thought that was gonna happen in Georgia.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Exactly. That's why he's afraid. Are they impeding on it? No, you know, Bishop boys. Shut down the end. Walton. Walton. Yeah. Because Walton is not never was a designated Trinity and mass. So this priest decided to do it himself. So that's what reason he wanted to do at faithful the new Bishop coming. So he shut him down.

Tim Stout:

So they're out of Boston, you say?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I think New Boston, Kentucky.

Tim Stout:

More Boston, Kentucky is is south southeast of Lebanon junction, which is just outside of Louisville. Really?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I mean, yeah, you're Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. Interesting.

Tim Stout:

So they're coming East cross there. They're not happy in the Archdiocese alone. They want to see if they can spread their word in the data. See selects done? Well, great. Let's see what happens. So hey, who picked the topic of the day?

Dallas Kelley:

Somebody?

Tim Stout:

Did you pick the topic of the day to topic not the person of Jesus, a person of Jesus Christ?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, this thing came up to me, I think it's very important. I think for our program, we need to begin talking about something much more in depth in the theology that needs to be discussed. The great concern for me is, many people, you know, kind of fall away from the church, they're not calling the church and then any issues. And the bishop Baron, he talked about how we forgot how to tell the story of salvation. Okay. And so, more and more, I felt that the sense of do we really know, the person of Jesus Christ, you know, do we know we can, if we know, we can have a relationship with him? You know, if he treats just like a historical individual, then you can flip the page or call it a day. But he's not. I that's one piece, I think, for us, has very important, both theologically, you know, systematically, we have to talk about this, to reclaim the person of Jesus Christ first, before anything else,

Dallas Kelley:

right. That's funny, you said that I've already had it in my mind with the kids in this school year. And I'll plan on bringing it up tomorrow to all three classes. That's their job, as students their grade, depends on them regurgitating facts that I give them. My job is getting them to fall in love with the person of Jesus Christ.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

He says, it's so essential, isn't it? And I've been thinking a lot, you know, in dwelling, a lot of that, you know, a few weeks back, I, I kind of worked with Katherine Coleman, get all our CCD teacher together, and begin to talk about, you know, relook at the whole curriculum that we have. And I asked him to, to send me what they teach the kid. And we cover everything from Advent. Advent, wreath, Christmas, land, oh, we cover everything. But, but Jesus Christ.

Tim Stout:

It's like the framework, right? We've got so many as Catholics, we have lots of rules. Right, exactly. And structure and ways to describe the faith, ways that make us things that make us Catholic. I mean, you know, whenever you see something on TV about a wedding in Hollywood, there's always a little bit of element of Catholic wedding in there, right? I mean, because it just puts it in there. And I think that's a lot of people. That's a lot of what people take away from our faith is the, the structure. And that's a good point. I think, you know, we lose, we lose that. But we lose the relationship, which is the most important thing.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, they preach about that. They say, Listen, you know, when we buy a house, you know, everybody go around, look at everything, how many room? how big the room? Do we have a tub or not? But only few, you know, call

Dallas Kelley:

check the foundation,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

the foundation, and this is the foundation of the church. If we don't have that, everything we talked about when we collapse? You know,

Tim Stout:

I agree with that. I think, you know, for me, you know, we all, all of us, I know includes skipping as to we all have our different preaching styles, right? And I think we all we all kind of go back to that, don't you think? Pretty much mean, to me, I talk a lot about relationship. That's one of the things that that as I look back over my homies I see that a lot. But I don't know if we can preach it enough.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

That's right, right. But at least you know the hope that we have to talk a lot more so we begin to reclaim we have a program here sometime way back I called them reclaimed the flame way back

Tim Stout:

there. I don't remember that. Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

From from Benedictus. And that was sponsored by by vindictus with a youth called own property. I remember that came out a few time. But the person Jesus Christ we have you know, like, if we're talking about all this great theology, Christology on Christ, then he had to awaken something about this real person is still manifesting right now, here with us. And what does that mean? Right. You know, without what the church you know, is Jesus Christ was I mean There's so many ways we can look at it to open people up to really understand this reality. Okay? I remember when I was in theology, holiday July, you guys been doing your time. And there was this seminarian was wonderful. He's so creative. You know, he use a projection projector put images, and he did so beautiful, eloquent. And when he finished up, I said, Wow, it's really nice presentation. But the homiletic teachers present, look at him with great love and say, it's wonderful. But one thing you missing. You mentioned, Jesus, you don't mention Jesus Christ is always stuck with me with that is so essential. So and you know, for me, you know, how can we unpack from the biblical point of view, from historical point of view, from systematic point of view, you know, anthropologists talk about Christ, what all that significant.

Dallas Kelley:

But bear in that a lot of times we talked about our relationship with Mary. And sometimes we, you know, Protestants think we go overboard with that. If Mary's not leading you to Jesus Christ, something's wrong, because Mary should be leading you to her son. It's not just Mary. Right?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So that, you know, like, last Sunday was preaching about and she is the Ark of the Covenant. That's why I love that litany of Mary, all her title is a significant of what she is, you know, she is the new ark of the covenant and the covenant Ark, because she bear God.

Dallas Kelley:

And that's why she's always presented a lot of times on a moon. Right, exactly.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

You know,

Dallas Kelley:

the sun gives light to the moon,

Tim Stout:

do you think it's easier for us? And I don't mean us personally, but us as a human race, do you think it's easier for us to have that relationship with Mary because we've all had a mother. And the relationship with Jesus is, is one that's, that's different from that could be nothing. So it's interesting. You said titles, one of things for you walked in tonight, at the Catechism here because you know, we always have a catechism. But I was just looking at some of these, you said titles of Mary, the titles of Christ. And, you know, and when I was reading through these, I'm not gonna read through all of them, but just some of them they, they just, they all can develop a different relationship. Exactly. You know, that. That's the thing that, you know, some of these, I've heard of, obviously, high priests, Jesus, that's one of these titles, the King of kings, light of the world lord and savior, Prophet, Redeemer, revelation of God, revelation of the Father, Risen Lord, shepherd of the flock, Son of God, Son of Man, son of the Virgin, teacher, the truth. I mean, just so many titles. But I think one of the things that, that we still have trouble with is he's God, right. And I think sometimes that limits us in our ability to perceive what the relationship with that person should be. Because it's, it's different. Right? There's no other, there's no other God. There's no other relationship that's quite like that.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So well, the danger for me is that can see modern society when they undermine the Christian faith, one thing they would do, to domesticate Jesus put him in a box, make him a nice guy, you know, and to the point that we don't see Jesus. He's God. Right? Don't forget that.

Dallas Kelley:

I remember in class one time, our professor asked us, when you hear God, what do you think? automatically think of God the Father. in you, I believe Jesus is God and Holy Spirit of God. But you think of God the Father, Jesus is over here and Holy Spirit don't have to get mentioned his God. much at all. Right?

Tim Stout:

You know, I like it. When somebody somebody talks about that they say something like, well, who do you pray to pray to Jesus a lot just because of my, my personal relationship with Him. And in, you know, somebody said, Why pray to God the Father, and they're the same, you know, or, you know, somebody says, Well come Holy Spirit, you know, it's the same thing. Right?

Dallas Kelley:

And I think that's as soon as you try to separate them, you get in trouble. But but

Tim Stout:

I think it's, it's, it's the limitation. You know, I preached on the Eucharist a couple of weeks ago and that mystery, you know, the Eucharist and in that mystery is a great mystery, but even the Trinity, you know, if one of our professors said if you if you're able to describe it, then you're wrong. So, it It does. I think it does make people search for an answer that's probably not going to come to them. Right. And, and that's why you have to have faith. I mean, faith is what will help you. I'm not gonna use the word understand. But faith helps you get to a point where you can accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is God by faith is the only thing that can do that

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

right. Now, for me, it's it's only fascinated me, you know, all of us. All our kids. They know movie characters, you know, Star Wars, they know all by name they know. You know, the the DC comic, they know they do

Tim Stout:

like a Marvel Comics.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

And we have a lot of great story right? To store Jesus Christ, my goodness. And nobody know about it. is phenomenal. Yet you got to have a seat that that so called the chosen.

Dallas Kelley:

I heard about it. Everybody talks about it. It's worth watching. On our retreat, people were talking.

Tim Stout:

That's where I said, Where were we recently? They were talking about night,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

but I haven't watched it. Have you watched? Yes, it's really it's worth dwelling to it? Well, well, I think this is probably the first production not come out of Hollywood,

Tim Stout:

where the whole distribution of that's a little bit odd. Yes, you, you don't have to really pay for it. But you you can't pay for it if you want to help support the distribution. But it from what I understand from what the guys were saying is that it really gives you a perspective of filling in the gaps of what life with Jesus was like. And that's the part that makes it personable, right. That's the part that says, hey, I get it. And I've always been,

Dallas Kelley:

movies have always played a big part really good made Jesus theme movies, is kind of, that's my thing out. That's what helps me fall in love. With Jesus even more. Certain movies, I love certain movies, everybody has their way of falling in love with us. But I've done it through movies through the years, certain movies that have affected me, you know, Song of Bernadette and all those kind of movies, The Passion of the Christ and

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

it you know, it, see that is the piece. So, but the reason why I chose this topic is so crucial. And to the point, sometimes we take things for granted. Even we have relationship with Jesus in our prayer, and our daily lives, we go to Mass with me, I sell a mass. But I always ask myself, how, how much do I have that personal relation with Jesus? As I should? You know, we kind of washed through it. You know, if we don't have that in us if our parents, our mom and dad, Papa young people here, don't have that. That How can you convince your kid? This is important? Yeah. This is everything. Do you

Tim Stout:

think part of that though, is because I mean, you hear that a lot when you talk to? And I'm not bashing Protestants, but Protestants in general, right, you know, my Lord and Savior, my personal relationship with Jesus. And I think as Catholics, we we don't go there.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Exactly.

Tim Stout:

And I don't know if it's because of that. Or if it's because of the rigidity and the rules and everything else that makes up the Catholic Church. But at the end of the day, that's why we're, that's why we're here, right? We're, if you don't have that relationship with Christ, it's all for naught Anyway,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

what the way we relate to Christ is sacramentally. Right? From the sacrament, that we have that but for me being a priest only four years, there is a missing that the gap that missing link you talked about in this movie Are you recognized chosen, there is a gap that is missing. And so too many of us we can enjoy go to Mass, because it's wonderful. I you you sit in mass, you know exactly the flow, just like for me, I can speak in the same language when I learned how to play baseball. Once you understand the game and got into the game, game is fun. It's wonderful. I can't understand why called the past time. And so, but when you in the game so long, you forgot about the ethos or the enthusiasm of the game. You know, it's kind of tragic in some way. I think. I think this is what St. john paul to until now to re evangelize. I think this piece is important.

Tim Stout:

I think you almost just described folks coming out of our CIA are on fire versus a cradle Catholic just going almost going through the motions in a way. I mean, we see that a lot, though. I mean, that's, I don't know, it's funny that you use baseball's analogy, because when I went to a baseball game when I was in New York City, and I was with my son, and I was, you know, he's not a big baseball fan, I kind of think I have been explaining the, the rules. There's a lot of rules to baseball,

Dallas Kelley:

right? Well, you're taking baseball, I'm thinking the Catholic Church is almost like tennis, try explaining how to keep score in tennis. I mean, you only get that if you know how to keep score in tennis. Right? I don't know, who's the guy that thought that.

Tim Stout:

I'm sure that somebody will look that up for us and let us know where they came from. It's true, though, right? I mean, for me, I've always I mean, I'm an engineer, I like to think of things as ones and zeros. black and white. Follow the rules, right? Well, we were told that in class, follow the rules.

Dallas Kelley:

Another word in there, but we'll leave that word Oh,

Tim Stout:

it was it was a priest that said it's okay. But follow the rules. And now that's, that's where I like to operate. I like to operate inside of, I'd say, a box. But inside a box that has, you know, boundaries. You know, certain people like boundaries, a lot of people don't like boundaries. I think our faith is so big and so broad. And these titles of Jesus Christ are so big and so broad, you have to find that way to relationship. You have to personally, you know, what maybe works for you is not gonna work for me. But don't you think that that's what is so good about this faith that allows us to do that? I mean, I can relationship, maybe Jesus being the Good Shepherd, you may be taken in because of Redeemer? Just those types of things. Do you think that's right, which we should have people be drawn to that, to encourage that outside of the rules of the church?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yes, I think it's important, it's, it's we have to know that he is a redeemer. Right, we have to know is a good chapter. We don't say say enough about it. And then you know, for us, what are unique about the Catholic tradition is that we we have so many ology you know, the what you mentioned, systematic says, systematic theology is so important, there is a clear organize what the methodology should be, right? It cannot be rampage over the place of Christology is so important. And so all of that, it has to be, somehow it been just reserved for those like us who study high theology to know this stuff. But when we break down to ordinary people, we don't break that turn that into something more worth listening. Exciting, right?

Tim Stout:

Yeah. And the church is 2000 years old, right? We've had a lot of ups and downs, we've had a lot of schismatic people, we've had a lot of heresy. And that's shaped a lot of that as well, right? Because, you know, some people might say, well, how can Jesus be true God and true, man? You know, we've been through that exact, right. we've, we've, we've had arianism, we've had all these other heresies that that went down that road. And a lot of people don't know about it. We've obviously learned about it just because of our, our education and theology. But, you know, maybe that's, that's what makes it so I don't know, for me, that's why I was drawn to the Catholic faith. That's why I've embraced it. Because, you know, when when you study in you, you realize everything that's happened up to this point, you're almost like, well, what else could happen? You know, because we've kind of been through I won't say we've been through everything, but we've been through a lot. Good Pope's and bad Pope's Right. I mean, you know, you got a lot of people right now that don't speak favorably about Pope Francis. And we've got Pac, we got people that don't speak favorable about us,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

right. That's not normal.

Tim Stout:

But, I mean, the church will survive that. And, and, you know, I tell one of the things I tell people a lot is whether they're complaining about Dallas or, or, or the Pope. Don't let that affect your faith, right. I mean, we're as clergy we're just people, right? We're just normal man. normal, normal people.

Dallas Kelley:

And we're Jesus, not us.

Tim Stout:

We're gonna mess up. We're gonna make mistakes, but don't let that affect your faith. And in order for it not to affect your faith. You have to have a prayer life. We are in contact. With Jesus, you're you're in conversation with Jesus, not just in conversation with fatherland or Deacon tambor Deacon Dallas, or Pope Francis, right? You know, you've had to have that personal relationship and, and I think is Catholic. That's, that's foreign. So,

Dallas Kelley:

you know, we're talking about the person of Jesus, it can start with the mass I'm sitting here running the mass through my mind when he was speaking to him. ended the script as we use through the whole mass of people don't tend to listen to the words and he, you like I use the word regurgitate while ago, you just say those response and you say the collect the collect opening prayer like wow, like whatever like the penitential act, when we do the Curia and stuff, you know, you sit on the right hand of the Father, look, you know, we're describing what he's doing. You feed us your body and blood, you came to redeem as in worse, you're describing everything about Jesus. But it continues on through the Eucharistic prayer and everything. Listen to the words of the master beautiful. Yeah, the best

Tim Stout:

purchase I've ever made at the same outer bookstore, which I've made a lot was up a book on homiletics. And it's, you know, four books, a ABC, and then special. But what it does that helps me when I work on my families is it takes a call it it takes the readings, it takes the Eucharistic prayers, and it ties them all together. Because there is, this just isn't random stuff that just happens in this mass. There really is this connection from the beginning, from as soon as you say in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, all the way through to the prayer after the Eucharist, that ties it all together for what's going on. For that mass that day with those set of readings. And I don't know if I ever really realized that until I got that book and started using it to help me prepare for my holidays. It you have to listen to the prayers. And because, you know, I'm sitting there not preparing to my homily. And I'm thinking, Well, yeah, I see that connection. I'm preparing. But how many how many people actually listened to the colic that thing? that that that sets them into a frame of mind for what's about to happen? percentage you think that is? Zero?

Dallas Kelley:

I want to know why it's conflict. It's spelled c o l l e c. d wasn't collect. Why does it collect? Because we're collecting people together? What is colic mean?

Musician:

It's a lot of work. Come on down colic.

Tim Stout:

You know, it's it's funny, because last two weeks ago, when I prayed they use the percentage that 69% of the people that are Catholics that identifies a tenant, that it did have as Catholics don't believe in a real presence. And you said to myself on the youth said they thought it might or might have been higher than I was thinking that's

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

pretty high, like 75%, I believe. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

And then I had another statistic, and I can't remember what it is now. I think it was 29% of folks. Oh, hello, hello. I forgot what it was. Now. I was thinking it had to do with they, I don't know. I lost it. I had to come back to that. But anyway, 69% of people. They can't really be. I don't know, it just that baffles me. Because if you

Dallas Kelley:

want a relationship with Jesus, it's got to start. That's pretty amazing.

Tim Stout:

That's the first thing that has to happen. I mean, you can still pray and talk to God, laying in your bed, driving in your car, at your work, when things are going really bad. Whatever triggers you to pray, but if you're a Catholic, and you've gone through, you know whether you're cradle Catholic, and you've gone through your whole life, got any communion line and say amen. Or whether you're a convert, and you've been through everything and got up there and professed everything that you believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, but you get to you get to the altar. Watch what's happening there, and you don't believe that? I just, I don't know how you can have a relationship with Jesus. If not, because otherwise, as I said in the homily, you're just not dollar.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Right. Right. You know, like the video that you filmed the other day with Christ in my home. Right. The law prayer, right. is the law of worship believe how do you say it again, V. Platt Lex, Lex lax v. v. Vivendi right like oh, Randy retrograde ending and so like I say, once we we cease to catechize you know, when we cease to understand the important blogger, some time ago I mentioned you got that we are right now or loss in three generation of the Catholic tradition, three generation You know, my balling for me is that like because I'm not picking on how catechist they, they don't have the fullness right to in the formation to teach and begin training in depth. I remember so funny when I when I was in Pikeville, coaching soccer, right, I quote a few some of the parents decided to help in coaching and their their understanding of soccer, probably third grade. Guess how well two children play? Now very well, not very well. Okay. And so you're asked to go all the way to college, all the people that teach in any sports very quick and understand inside and outside of them. So you're looking at a sampling with a fake sampling, right. And so once we we, we expect our kids you know, I hope the work you do a show to promote Dallas lewitt very proud to take on this task is so essential. Because you have a wealth of knowledge, you've been there, and now you begin to witness in the teaching. It will stick I do believe that.

Dallas Kelley:

Absolutely. Good. You have to let me have a ruler.

Tim Stout:

Well, I mean, think about it, as you were saying that one of the things that just kind of popped into my head is you know, is it easier for somebody that's just a part time catechist teaching CCD not even a paid position, or even a religion teacher in in Catholic schools, that's teaching religion. That is their primary, but you know, they're teaching science or social studies or whatever, and they get legend thrown in there, just as the mix is probably easier for them to explain the seasons of the church, right? adament ordinary, it's very easy to explain versus talking about the person of Jesus Christ or talking about trying to teach fourth graders or Greek or teaching sixth, seventh and eighth teaching them about the Trinity. I mean, because it's hard, it's hard stuff.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

But it again is hard because we look at only through the lens of education. But if we looked at the lens of faith, it is same thing you know, I will not record you they what I'm saying here is that when I met with my kanak is that first thing I asked from them and I say you can teach it much in one you have to ask Do you believe what you teach? Right? Do you have a relationship and what you didn't we

Dallas Kelley:

take a vow or something like that? I think we may have

Tim Stout:

read with believe what you read. Teach what you read. I got it wrong. I know Go ahead. I forgive me look it up now. Y'all keep telling me this is where you all

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

say promise I

Dallas Kelley:

don't think about well promise you

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

that's a deacon promise.

Dallas Kelley:

He was a deacon what they still are

Tim Stout:

always he gave it up for

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

you to ordain as Deacon all right I gave it up.

Tim Stout:

Oh, I'm not finding it. So anyway, well, that'll be our some homework we'll bring that back. It's on my desk. I

Dallas Kelley:

mean, it's like teach what you believe believe what you teach your

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

practice. What do you believe? All three right there.

Tim Stout:

Steve, do you detect a notice out there? Nobody found it believe what you read. Teach. What do you believe? Practice like what you teach, to teach. Preach? Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, you see that the stuff we talked right now guys, you can see that all the sudden I sends the person of Jesus Christ, it literally it no longer historical. is here. That's why we say he is sacramentally in every part of our living right? And if we don't identify that in everything we do, you know, because the concern for me is mind boggling for me it bothered me the past few weeks not because we have bad characters in any way. Because the accountability and you as a pastor are really concerned about that. You know, we we all know we love about decoration right? We love the the Advent color the wreath and the Christmas the light yeah you the night Columbus what they say cut the cord the campaign bring Christ right to Christmas.

Tim Stout:

Bring Christ in Christmas

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

and those no slouch right you know Gregor, and so those are very essential for me. So, you know, for me how we work, and how to maintain, continue to exploit, if you will, this person of Jesus Christ into real reality in every part we talk about, you know, how he bring about is so crucial.

Tim Stout:

So we got to keep the same topic for two weeks and maybe talk about divinity and humanity.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

We can, you know, let's talk about the historian a little bit how all that development, why his divinity is important. You know,

Tim Stout:

I mean, that's, we've all preached about it. I mean, that's the funny thing. You know, I was, as I was getting ready for tonight, I was like, man, am I ready to talk about this tonight, but then, as we're talking, it's like, everything that, that we've taught, that we've been educated about, or everything that we've preached about, or, and not just me, I mean, we're all zombies are all our discussions, you know, the divinity, the humanity. They're equally important. just hard to grasp for some folks. But you know, we talk about it all the time, we talk about a lot, and maybe we need to talk about it here. Maybe it's a little bit easier to talk about here than in

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

the whole, the whole world of redemption. You know, how, how divinity and humanity come together? And what's that mean? You know, I always ask the why on that.

Dallas Kelley:

I come at the hypostatic Union or something different than that.

Tim Stout:

Wow, that was a big word. Oh,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

that big word.

Tim Stout:

This is a big word for you

Dallas Kelley:

now read some of this. Looking in before we came in, and I'm reading the, I mean, the deepness and richness of some of the teachings and I'm like, wow, I'm glad somebody smarter than me sat down and,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

of course, the catholic church we are very intelligent church. I

Dallas Kelley:

and we'd like to thank you know, in this century, we're we're smarter than those guys back then. But a lot of this stuff came from the second and third century man those guys were brilliant

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

development theology that we never undermine what a given to us we develop more from it, because we all eschatological more toward the truth right we grow into the truth and so as you know sometime the the divine to nature we forgot you know, a lot of people die over that

Tim Stout:

there was a lot of a lot of death associated with a lot of the teachings of the church a lot of heartache a lot of good Pope's and bad Pope's that, that a lot of good clergy, bad clergy. You know, I, you know, if you're not interested in that, it's hard to hard to convey all that. When I are on a Sunday, what's gone into the teachings of the church,

Dallas Kelley:

I mean, before some of this stuff was divided, or decided and defined in councils, you had half the bishops teaching one thing the other bishops teaching just the opposite, you know, finally, they had to, we got to figure this stuff out.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Exactly.

Tim Stout:

That's why when you know, when you get today for me, which is so great about this church is that when people get upset about what a particular Bishop did or what a pope did, or whatever, I don't get worried about it.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Exactly.

Tim Stout:

It'll get it'll, it'll sort its way out. Because

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

the church always be a great referee, she only worked things out as it should.

Tim Stout:

Because we have a promise about the church, right? gates of hell will never prevail. I can't stir. And that's, you know, don't let it affect your faith. Exactly. When things when things feel like they're crumbling around you and you something that you hear about clergy or a church or a parish or whatever, don't let it negatively impact your faith. That's when you rely on your personal relationship with Jesus to get you through those things.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So for me, I think the the I don't want to steer you know, of the deacon program, we talk in here, I only want to arrive to work in that level conversation. I think it will be fun. It challenged us and hopefully challenge our listeners and our church to kind of come to turn level of awareness. No longer What is it for me is why is it I think that that is very important. So I hope that that that our listeners and and we also begin to unpack some of this or reclaim right reclaim the excitement of what we have, you know, over the weekend, the flag claim,

Tim Stout:

reclaim the thing. All right. are ours up Should we should we keep up a saint of the day? saint john of the cross? Let's, let's do that and then we'll come back and close the show out if that's all right with you guys.

Unknown:

Ready, Steve? This is Franciscan media saint of the day for August 17. Today we celebrate St. JOHN of the cross and encounter with a shabby old woman, others dismissed as insane, prompted Joan to dedicate her life to the poor. For someone with a reputation as a business woman intent on monetary success. This was a significant conversion. Born in France in 1666 giome worked in the family business, a small shop near a religious shrine from an early age. After her parents death she took over the shop and quickly became known for her greediness and insensitivity. That was until she was touched by the strange woman who claimed she was on intimate terms with the deity. Joan, who had always been devout, even scrupulous, became a new person, she began caring for needy children. Then the poor, elderly and sick came to her. Over time she closed the family business so she could devote herself fully to good works and pennants. She went on to found a religious congregation that came to be known as the congregation of St. Anne of Providence. By the time of her death in 1736. Joan had founded 12 religious houses, plus numerous hospices and schools. pope john paul the second canonized her in 1982. There's more about the saints along with inspiration and Catholic resources at our website, Saint of the day.org. From Franciscan media, this has been st of the day.

Tim Stout:

saint john of the cross st of the day. john paul second, another john paul, Second thing, whatever he's saying he can nest

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

over 300 some, right. I don't know. He said, most cannon I

Dallas Kelley:

wouldn't want to.

Tim Stout:

There's still hope you're teaching religion to middle schoolers. Now's your chance. Now's your chance. Dallas. Hey, so we're gonna try to be back here in a couple weeks. That would be August 31. But got that right. No, today's the 16th Yes. 17th. Today's the 17th. I get that wrong. I said today's August 16. On the opening, we only get Today's the 17th. And

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

then he got an A 482 cents

Tim Stout:

or 192 sites. We'll be back on August 31 7pm. Hopefully, that's our new time, Tuesday. 7pm. If you listen to us or watching on Friday, that's great. If you listen to us on YouTube, or your podcast, software of choice, hit LIKE subscribe, keep us in your in your feed. We're going down the theology road person Jesus Christ, I'm excited. So and if you do have other topics or questions, please let us know. I don't know if we got any topic questions besides your hand question today. So probably not new times, probably throwing some people off but just to support our ministry of SS f j.org ss f j.org our church our parish our school can you use any support that you can give? let your friends know all about it. So I guess we'll see everybody in a couple weeks. Father, can you give us a blessing?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Excellent. No Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Amen. Gracious God, we give you thanks for the give a blessing that allow us to invoke the name of your son Jesus Christ, the name of salvation, the name of love, the friend of friendship and relationship that drawn us into the circle of your eternal life. We are to guide us continue to blast our listeners out self this evening that we continue to open ourselves to the mystery of salvation and become the personal relationship you with your son Jesus Christ. I bless you know the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Tim Stout:

Amen. Amen. Anything else? Dallas. Good luck tomorrow.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Good luck tomorrow. Dallas. You better have a good rest tonight.

Dallas Kelley:

I need some sleep.

Tim Stout:

You need to go home. Get some sleep. It's time go to work, man. You gotta start chopping wood.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

No baby slapping no children slapping no rulers.

Tim Stout:

Darn. Stay out of trouble. Dallas.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Good night, everybody.

Tim Stout:

Till next time. I'm Deacon Tim.

Dallas Kelley:

I'm drinking Dallas bottling when

Tim Stout:

Good night everybody.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

God bless.

Musician:

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