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#36 - Turning the Corner on COVID and More

• Deacon Tim Stout, Deacon Dallas Kelley, Father Linh Nguyen • Season 2 • Episode 8

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The Deacons sat down to talk about the current events, specifically the changing world as COVID seems to be ending; life in the Church and Politics;  Bishops; Mary; and so much more.  What could go wrong?  We think you will enjoy the discussion. 

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Tim Stout:

Love from Georgetown, Kentucky. It's Friday of the sixth week of Easter. And this is deacons, discussions, drinks. Hey, good evening, everybody. Welcome to the cardones studio in Georgetown. For another exhilarating, exciting, unpredictable discussion with the deacons. I'm diggin Tim Stout.

Dallas Kelley:

I'm Deacon Dallas Kelly.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I'm falling when,

Tim Stout:

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Dallas Kelley:

close caption on this. Is that something I hit or? No?

Tim Stout:

I added that feature. How's that look?

Unknown:

animate?

Tim Stout:

Yeah, okay, we're gonna I was wanting to test it tonight because if it works tonight, we can do it for mass as well. We think about a closed caption for mass. That'd be good. Oh, good idea.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Does that mean I fight in fight father Iraq? Sorry.

Tim Stout:

Hey, I was gonna do an ad but i don't i don't think that punch that up a Steve. So I'm not going to worry about that right now. But hey, so if you got questions, Dallas is in charge of questions. As always put your questions in the comments. I asked you like in capital letters put question. That way catches your attention, right?

Dallas Kelley:

Yes.

Tim Stout:

Do you have anybody asked a question yet?

Dallas Kelley:

Please tell him to keep going and quit talking about quitting.

Tim Stout:

So tonight, we're going to talk about cart. Excuse me current events. We're going to talk about what's going on the world and then that's main topic number one. And main topic number two is going to be Mary the month of May with the Catholic Church does with all that stuff. So that you guys. Yes, super. Okay, Tim,

Dallas Kelley:

you have a great radio voice.

Tim Stout:

That's not me saying it some. Oh, well, Dallas. Appreciate that.

Dallas Kelley:

Rob Shaffer. Well, Rob,

Tim Stout:

I tried. I tried that's years of experience. gargling

Unknown:

hot dog.

Tim Stout:

Actually, that's, that's supposed or that's processing on the soundboard right here. Rob. I can't that's not natural. That's, that's why I don't sound like this when I give a homily. So, hey, there's a lot going on in the world. There's a lot going on the world. There's a lot going on in the US. There's a lot going on in Scott County and in in our parish, too. Yeah,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

way too many.

Tim Stout:

It's kind of crazy, right? Yeah. So who wants to start?

Dallas Kelley:

Well, my current event comes from a Catholic news agency.

Tim Stout:

See and a

Dallas Kelley:

Twitter briefly suspended last week. Francisco who's a chainsaw say his last name, a member of Spain's congress of Deputies. Because he posted that a man cannot get pregnant.

Unknown:

daughter

Dallas Kelley:

and he was suspended truth. Facts old case anybody's listening. I'm here to tell you a man cannot get pregnant. Well,

Tim Stout:

you probably don't have a blue checkmark on Twitter. You probably have a

Dallas Kelley:

Twitter account, but I'll tell you how little I know about this stuff. What's a blue checkmark?

Tim Stout:

Oh, Dallas,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Dallas, we need to fish.

Dallas Kelley:

Who's that john Carter,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Mr. JOHN Carter. Just call in and when would you do that? Does he have a big boat who has a big boat. Both of them a big boat but

Tim Stout:

his is only a two person boat.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I think it's two or three maybe. So

Dallas Kelley:

you could fit three of mine, but you know,

Tim Stout:

that'd be crowded. So yeah, the blue checkmark, blue checkmark means that you're legitimate person. Okay, so that you've, you've get enough followers. And then they put this they, they verify they certify that you are who you say you are. So those people are probably held to a little bit higher. I don't know. level the newer me, because I mean if we say some stupid and they delete our account, who cares? right if you get banned? I mean, what are you gonna do? You're not gonna do nothing.

Dallas Kelley:

Right? But he didn't say anything stupid. You gotta eat.

Tim Stout:

Well, that's all now kind of relative. Right? Yeah. So that happens a lot. That's the whole world woke is do I have done my saying that right the woke, culture woke, woke. Woke. were things that have been true before no longer true. Now they are. Whatever, whatever you want. Whatever. Yeah, whatever we want it to be whatever the person wants it to be. So yes, man, can I get pregnant? You have a carnival over there, Potter?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I don't know. I don't have one that you don't have too many going on.

Tim Stout:

So there's a lot going on in the Middle East. Let's let's talk a little bit about that. Right. That's some crazy stuff going on sir. newsflash, they've been fighting in the Middle East. Or, what? 3000 years and years for forever? Since eight. Well, how long ago was Moses or Abraham? Does anybody can anybody give me 2000 years since Jesus? How many years?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

2000 years before that 4000. before them?

Tim Stout:

Yeah. So they're still fighting?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Do you know how small that piece of dirt is? Yeah.

Dallas Kelley:

Smile.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Very small. You

Tim Stout:

know, I did. I did a little research on that. Because I like to kind of keep me informed. And one of the things I was was curious about is this, this transition? Obviously, Israel didn't exist before World War Two, right. So that was created and it was created on a part that was Palestine before. But it goes back to the Bible and Moses, Moses, but Abraham and his two sons, right? Isaac, and ish, ish. So if it goes back that far, and they're still fighting about it, I don't think it's ever going to be solved. I mean, I just don't think it's going to happen. I mean, it's, and I saw something the other day that it was a meme. meme. So you gotta be careful with these things. But it said, if if Israel threw all their weapons in the ocean,

Dallas Kelley:

yes, obscene, there would be

Tim Stout:

there would be a massacre, right. And if the Palestinians threw all their weapons now, the Palestinian star is not the Palestinians, it is Hamas. If Hamas, there are other weapons in the ocean, there would be peace. So it's really just how you look at things, you know, everybody can spin it a different way. But in that, in that, really what's going on in the world today, that kind of summarize everything.

Dallas Kelley:

You're talking about spinning things, yeah, no

Tim Stout:

spinning things, you spin things the way to your to your desired outcome. You, you redefine words truth, a man can become pregnant, because you want to justify some position or something that maybe benefit you or benefit somebody, you know, or, or whatever. And it doesn't matter about the other people that it may affect in a in a negative way. So nobody has anything else to say about that. That's fine.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

The idea when you remove the objective truth. What do you have left? Everything goes.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, truth. People like to redefine truth about capitalism, talking about what words mean, right. we redefine words.

Unknown:

I don't know.

Tim Stout:

It's gonna be hard for our kids growing up, though. And the next couple generations, I think it's gonna be tough.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Oh, I have something I did not know. MIPCOM can be a current affair. Your there was a a voting to go back one year. You heard about that? in Fayette County, in the schools in the school?

Tim Stout:

Yeah. So you could you and I think Scott County to not mistaken. Somebody. Maybe you can comment on this. I do believe that they had the same option in in I think it was a state law that any student that felt like that they missed out on something could redo the year with no penalty. No should ask,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

is it pass?

Tim Stout:

Yeah, no, it's done. You had to. You had to register for that though. I think I might have that wrong. I might be confused in that, but it definitely wasn't fake County, but I thought it wasn't in Scott County as well.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So that's interesting.

Tim Stout:

Taking the implications on athletics, right.

Dallas Kelley:

Yeah. So john Carter says he has a 13 person pontoon boat. Well,

Tim Stout:

that's either a lot of fishing or a lot of beer. decide which one that is. pontoons usually have a lot of beer. So we had to take your boat because you got the fish finder.

Dallas Kelley:

He's got a fish finder on his pond. Okay,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

maybe he does. Have

Tim Stout:

you been fishing with john before?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yes. I haven't taken the boat yet. But one time, we did try to say we want to do this show on his boat.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, we think about that, Steve. Is that a one camera? It'll be a one camera thing. I mean, you could just shoot B roll the whole time. We could talk you could use like a boom, mic, catch everything. We're saying? Post edit everything that would be that would be fun. It would be fun for everybody. But you. We still should do that. Now that we're in summer. COVID is over. I mean, let's face it last year COVID happened? We could. We could have done that if we wanted to. I guess we could have but we've been breaking a lot of rules. So speaking of speaking of rules, even the Catholic Church is not immune from controversy. What do you all think about this Holy Communion debate for politicians? Man. So the all the bishops, according to this letter to the Vatican sent a letter to the US ECB and said You all need to discuss whether or not to what's the right word, I'm looking for censure or say something negative about or refuse communion to a politician that is pro abortion, you need to discuss and agree right deny, you need to discuss and agree on that before you take any action. Is that right? I got that. Right. I'm gonna summarize that. Maybe you've been on? You've been on vacation this week. So but have you heard any of this controversy?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, I heard on rebel relevant radio. We've had to do Nancy Pelosi and Bishop colione. Corley Oh, you got to say like deca

Tim Stout:

coriell. Corleone. So

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

yeah. And like I said, I was not part of the read the whole central thing. But basically, the relevant radio was critiquing that Nancy Pelosi. She read in a twist, like we mentioned earlier, that what she doing is okay, the back and say is okay,

Tim Stout:

yeah, she's she's interpreted. It's fine. I'm good. I'm going to Communion.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

So no worries. Yeah, the bishop refute that back and then saying, if you think what Vatican say is okay, then you admitting you screw up?

Tim Stout:

Well, he wrote, I guess initially, what kind of spurred this whole thing is he wrote a letter, and then super carnal sewage, wrote a letter to him. And so there was some dialogue going back and forth between the bishops. I think we maybe talked about that two weeks ago. That's kind of when and all that started. And now it's just got to the point where these politicians are just going to do what they want. Because I mean, you know,

Dallas Kelley:

I've been doing anyway.

Tim Stout:

Right. But, I mean, we've we've talked about, not Nancy Pelosi, but we've talked about refusing communion. Obviously, we're never gonna do that. We're not gonna do that in our parish, right? Just not not gonna happen. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. If Nancy Pelosi showed up here, she's gonna get communion. Because we're not going to call this controversy in our in our parish. Do you agree or disagree with

Dallas Kelley:

Nancy Pelosi get my line? And

Tim Stout:

would you recognize who I was, she had a mascot,

Dallas Kelley:

I was gonna make a joke soon as you say, Would you recognize but I better not.

Tim Stout:

I mean, we've had politicians come you got to talk a

Dallas Kelley:

lot of people keep saying it's, it's if you're denying if you mean you're doing it further so and you know, you get into the hole. Oh, I can't think of the word. But if you deny if you do deny it, you're doing it for them. It's not a punishment. You know? If you take communion unworthily they don't

Tim Stout:

they're not gonna view it that way. Right. Right. So

Dallas Kelley:

that's not scandal

Tim Stout:

thing, right when we want to avoid I mean, there's there's two types of scandal, right? I mean, if if we refuse somebody. It'd be like us refusing communion and the somebody that was divorced and remarried and presented themselves for communion. And we knew it and they weren't aligned. We said, No. I mean, that's not going to happen.

Dallas Kelley:

Well, that's because there's always a chance they could be living his brother and sister and you don't know it. It's not a public proclamation of their belief. Most people but you might not know they're even divorced and remarried. But the Pelosi is and the President Biden's it's public, for everybody to know the way they vote. That's why it's a more of a controversial thing.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, in this letter from Rome, it's also challenged the bishop to open conversation now, but

Dallas Kelley:

yeah, that's true. But

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

until unless that no longer an ability, any possibility, then the point of cut off communion is possible. I

Dallas Kelley:

mean, if you go back canon law, you know, Canon 915

Tim Stout:

got that memorize

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

that 915 he pulled that one out, you read your sanction that I can tell?

Tim Stout:

So I mean, you know, this is one of those things. I always, you know, my dad always said to me, he said, if if you say something, and I say something in there, they're opposite of each other. We both can't be right. This is what I was looking at. I lied a lot I had a problem with. And he was trying to tell me, hey, look, you're wrong. It's not true. You're wrong. And in this case, there can't be two truths. Right. Either one's right, and one's one's right and one's wrong. And that's just just the facts of it. I hate it for the church, though. I mean, because it just, it causes, I think it causes confusion, and it in a roundabout sort of way, you know, people like to say that there's no such thing as bad publicity, but I don't think it makes the church look good either. And really, just the the whole, the whole situation. I mean, you've got the, the bishop per Bishop can pretty much do what he wants, right? I mean, he's the bishop, he's the ordinary in his jurisdiction. If he didn't want to give her communion, he can refuse our communion. And he may pay the price down the road with the with the pontiff or whatever, but, you know, soup isn't gonna come into his jurisdiction sanction him. Right, right.

Dallas Kelley:

I mean, let's NDK

Tim Stout:

right. And so, a lot of people, I don't think a lot of people in the world outside of maybe a certain percentage of Catholics, folk folks don't understand how the how the church hierarchy works. And what, what a bishop can and can't do. A Bishop in his jurisdiction has a lot. A lot of authority, right? And if he decided that, and he's been passionate about he's, he's having conversations about it, he hasn't just said, Hey, I'm not gonna do it. Right. He's talked, he's talking, which is good. But I just think when when the outside world looks in on this, I think it confuses people. And depending on what side of the what position, what's out of the position you're on, it causes you to have ill feelings towards the church, because there's this just this gray area and people I think it confuses people.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, I think the issues here when Rome addressed to the US is the bishop is very cool about it. First of all, we begin to have a lot of opinion, too many bishops have too many opinion, instead of speak as a voice of us bishop. I agree with that. And this is the major issues too, you know, for you know, that from four years now, we always talk about who have which politician should not receive Communion, you know, that right? Way Back then they still talk about, but they really not sit down and deal with it until now. I think the issues on this politician it get more aggressive. They they using the name Catholic to get the vote. That's okay.

Dallas Kelley:

Yeah. And they use it a lot. Okay. And I keep saying the word devoutly vow.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah. Okay. And so Stephanie Bishop begin to react to that. And so you know, that that is a major issues that uscb have to sit their head together and and beat until blood come out with some of them need to smash the head on the rocket away.

Tim Stout:

Do you think they'll do that now? They're late next week? Right next door? Yeah,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

they need to. And so I don't want this stuff out. You know, they'll brothers, you for the good of the church do something. Yeah. I mean,

Tim Stout:

I think part of the problem though is is we have a for only the second time in history of our country. We have a Catholic president and they want to people on different sides of the aisle or different sides of this position. Want to say well, what about I guess Popeye He's Catholic, I think, or a Supreme Court justice, or they just name other people. But I'm gonna ask you to this question if you all get it right. I go by each of you a 12 pack of beer, no googling. Okay. named the current Secretary of State.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Oh, you got me.

Unknown:

I rest my case.

Tim Stout:

Okay, everybody knew who the Secretary of State was when Trump was president. Right? Because he was going through. Right. But name. I mean, you might get this one. I'm not gonna budge on so named the Secretary of the Treasury. Nope. Janet Yellen. I know that one. I can't tell you the sicker stuttered flowers you bring in? Because people like to say, Why weren't why wasn't this? Why Why wasn't the right. I'm gonna say in terms of political in political terms. Why wasn't the right why wasn't the conservative bishops withholding communion from the Catholic politicians, people in power Washington when they were in power, like in the Trump presidency, obviously, Trump wasn't a president wasn't a Catholic, sorry. But he a lot of his cabinet was Catholic, and why weren't you with withholding communion from them based on their positions on capital punishment? Or immigration reform or other social justice issues?

Dallas Kelley:

Or because those aren't closed?

Tim Stout:

I mean, right now, just

Dallas Kelley:

argue those right argue abortion. Right. And

Tim Stout:

that's what I'm trying to say is that, you know, that's the argument. I mean, I agree, obviously, I'm, you know, I agree with that. But, you know, when you're when you're fighting from a position of truth, it's easy to fight. But when you're battling from a position of untruth, in the case of supporting abortion, it's, it's impossible to win. I mean, if you're using if you're using any kind of debate parameters, normal, agreeable debate parameters, you're gonna lose. I mean, there's just it's just to me, it's just black and white. Anyway, we killed that one. My guy else to say about that one?

Unknown:

No.

Tim Stout:

Let's, let's come back closer to home. Let's talk about the CDC change the mask update. We don't have to wear a mask in Kentucky anymore if you're vaccinated.

Unknown:

Ooh, there you go.

Dallas Kelley:

Exciting. But that was June 11.

Tim Stout:

No, see, that's the misconception June 11. To me, June, the mass mandate was was changed that that morning after the CDC God gave its

Dallas Kelley:

its update, what was the June 11,

Tim Stout:

June 11. His work capacity goes back to 100% in all bars and restaurants and other venues affected by capacity restraints affected by COVID.

Dallas Kelley:

But the match were matchless and less

Tim Stout:

and less This is the establishment requires a mask. So you're seeing a lot of movement on that now. Right? Kroger said they weren't, they weren't gonna keep the mask mandate in place. Now. They're saying they're getting rid of it. I went to Costco the other day, it was I was going to get some hearing aids for my mom. And I walked in. And I went to the liquor store first because I want to see what kind of bourbon they had. And had my mask on. I walked in there and I said, a lot of people most people I saw had their mask on I asked the guys Hey, do I have to wear this mask? He said, Nope. So why are you wearing your mask? Well, employees have to still but you don't have to there's a little there's a little side over there. Versus before that had two big side now the sides a little took my mask off and I walked in Costco when it felt pretty good. Did anybody look at you strange. There were you know, people look at you strange, but you know, people look at me straight up that way. But no, I mean, I went in there. I went to the hearing aid out which is in front of the store. If you've ever been to Costco, it's in front of the front of the store. did what I had to do there and then I was just gonna leave but then I decided I did have mascots, the walker out. Just because it was like, it was like a new experience. I was like, Man, this was pretty cool.

Dallas Kelley:

I was in Costco the other day and almost nobody had a masking.

Tim Stout:

Yeah. So I mean, it's gonna happen fast. I think there's gonna be this sense of normalcy pretty quick.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, probably a couple months.

Tim Stout:

You think it'll take that long? I don't think it'll take that long. You think? I think we'll win June 11 rolls around. You know, if if restaurants can find help, which is another topic we could talk about, you know, there's 8 million jobs available in this country. And everybody's hiring everybody. Literally everybody's hiring. But what do you love throws around I think you're gonna be hard pressed to see a mask and you know, even though the directive is people with who have not been vaccinated should still wear a mask? You know, Scott County is I think, number three in the state as far as percentage of vaccinations. So we're, you know, we're pretty high vaccinated. County, fake counties up there, too. So, you know, I'm pretty confident to see anybody in mask. I mean, you'll see, like, we as I walked out the house tonight, and I saw this, this older gentleman on his golf cart, and he had his Walker in the back of the golf cart, because they drive the golf carts around our neighborhood is he had his Walker in the back of his golf cart, he was just driving around moat around in his golf cart, and he had his mask on, you know, outside by himself, you know, that's probably a health issue. Right. I mean, you're going to those folks that are that are vulnerable. And I'm not making fun of that out, you know, I thought it was, you know, it just but

Dallas Kelley:

I still see you watch the news reporters out with mass County,

Tim Stout:

California, New York, have not dropped them have not, there's three states I think California, New York, and somewhere else that habit, Hawaii, I think haven't matched the CDC guideline. So you're gonna see that you're still gonna see local jurisdictions to that have that. So you might get in the, the patches of that around the country. So the those those reports got to do what whatever the law is, or whatever the regulation is, where they're at. So

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I always just came back from Florida interesting. When I was there, the governor just dropped the mass mandate. And then the day after the city dropped the mass mandate. And then when I went I did mass down there. And was quite interesting because the pastor have reserved the first five, six Pew for social distant. And then the rest of it. Everything goes quite interesting. He came to me and they say, well, for us, clergy, we still have to wear mask. Especially during communion, of course, hence nsi. Mass. Walk through the hours you have to wear a mask. But preaching you don't have to at the altar, you don't have to. so quiet. Whoa. How do

Tim Stout:

you keep How do you keep track of that? Sorry, you distracted me. You got a text. So thank you guys. Terry Terry word. Yeah.

Dallas Kelley:

Thanks, Terry. Hey, Terry,

Tim Stout:

we see you too. Well, I

Dallas Kelley:

got a question. Are we ready?

Tim Stout:

Oh, hold on. Just real quick on is about this is about the mass mandate.

Dallas Kelley:

Kind of about the next thing on our topic thing here.

Tim Stout:

But let's let's kill this real quick on this. So the the mask. The mask mandated in Florida, it was either Florida or Texas? I can't remember it was but they actually passed a law that said that local jurisdictions couldn't couldn't pass a mass law. Right. or regulation

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

regulations. Texas. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

So God love Texas. And we'll cut we'll circle back to what the bishop has said about mask and social distancing here. Just second. Go ahead. Does

Dallas Kelley:

a letter came out in the diocese, strongly suggesting those that have not been vaccinated worship from home? Is this denying the Eucharist to the faithful?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

No. strongly suggested you have to free on free will if you determined to go you go new coats on the go. You can't do it just a guideline.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, I think that I think a lot of times people there's there's not going to be a person outside checking for your vaccination. Correct.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Right. Maybe, maybe Terry was he was a terrorist. add on to your job description. Checking ID for vaccination. COVID

Tim Stout:

COVID police. We're outside right now. So that doesn't matter. But I mean, it's a good question it did. You were out of town. You may not have heard it. It did cause a little bit of controversy when that came out, so But you know, I encourage people to have to follow their conscience. Right. That's what they do. That's that's absolutely. That's one of the that's what we are all called to follow our conscience. Yeah, that's one of the Paramount pillars of our faith is to follow your conscience. So that's all you got. That's the only question. I was the only one. Well, that was pretty easy. That was easy. So. So from what have you, did you you've been out town Did you get a chance to read the new directives. So we don't have to wear a mask, but we had to social distance. If I read that correct. Yes, still social distance.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

You don't wear a mask if you vaccinate.

Tim Stout:

Sorry, correct. Sorry. That's correct. That's the case everywhere.

Unknown:

Right? Okay.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

It's a standard that's everywhere that that's the recommendation. The funny part about it was so interesting where I almost giggle, almost choke myself to death. Because it's so redundant. It's almost stupid. So it said, If you have not been vaccinated, you should wear masks or you must, you should wear masks strong and go where matters, but we know this. have no way to monitor this condition. So we encourage go get vaccinated. Next, I would say

Tim Stout:

my opinion on vaccination is if you haven't got vaccinated now you're not going to cuz you can get back get vaccinated just about anywhere right now. Right now. There's no way all the big places are done right. So Kroger field shut down. I think Cardinal Stadium in Louisville is no longer a vaccination site. So all the big vaccination horse park, all those are gone. So

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

yeah, that'd be bad for the football season. But

Dallas Kelley:

now we go to your regular doctor now then.

Tim Stout:

You can't go to your regular doctor. From what I understand. You cannot get back to a regular doctor or CVS. It has something to do with money. Okay, surprise, surprise. But I don't think if somebody is watching that there's a doctor watching. Let us know if you can get vaccinated Dr. selves. I don't think you can.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, that this is interesting. Call dome is hosting a series of 10 concert between the first week of October of June. By the you hear the group called the the the word song program on PBS. Oh, yeah. Okay. And so the governor is sponsor that. And we are hosting that. To get people encouraged people with vaccination. Where's that gonna be gonna be here at the black barn outside? It's a lot of great concert. Quite interesting.

Tim Stout:

free, free.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

If you vaccinated. Can you get vaccinated while you're there? Yes. Your vaccination is the pass to get into is a ticket to get in show. Quite interesting. So

Tim Stout:

Well, I mean, people are being creative. And oh, how if you have a COVID vaccination card, you can be entered for a lottery million dollar lottery.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah. And then football ticket and all that good stuff. Yeah.

Tim Stout:

I mean, it's a it's an interesting way out, you know, social media is a good way to pick up on some stuff. I have a good friend, who's retired young guy, retired 5054. I think he might be 55 retired

Dallas Kelley:

member young people that retire where

Tim Stout:

those young people retire. But him and his wife got vaccinated today. And, you know, he could go back say before, but just wait a little bit longer, but to see what's going on. I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that. And if you choose not to get vaccinated because of conscientious reasons or whatever, there's nothing wrong with that either. way. We can't get I mean, how many people I've had I'll raise my hands over here. Never, ever had a flu vaccine.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Me neither.

Tim Stout:

Oh, no, ever. So well. bet you're there. Steve. You ever get the flu vaccine? Now he gets the chickenpox vaccine.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yes. You got it.

Dallas Kelley:

You had the chickenpox? No.

Unknown:

Other than the you need the already got that

Dallas Kelley:

to the shadows. No, I got the shingles.

Tim Stout:

You had the shingles? Yeah, I had the shingle can you get shingles twice. But I haven't got the shingles vaccine. That's what I'm actually thinking about. And if you noticed when you're watching TV these days, there are a lot of commercials for vaccines. It's like, Hey, we vaccines are cool. Now we're back. We're back in mode. So let's push vaccines everywhere we go. So you know if it's your thing, if you're around people that are vulnerable, I would encourage you to get back vaccinated. I got vaccinated so I can go see my mom. And you know, it's not required for me to see her but if I want to go into her room, I need to be vaccinated. So I'm vaccinated. We do anything controversial there. No. So, so, church on Sunday, we we don't wear masks because we're outdoors, obviously, and we're not. And if you're you're outdoors and your social, social, socially distancing, currently, so everything's copacetic here at accardo on Sunday. Correct? Everything's good. Any thoughts? I mean, I think that the bishop will change his directives. Again, as we get closer to June 11. Do you think that's going to be the case I think so. I mean, I just, you know, this whole capacity thing, I think does have a big impact. And there's some misunderstanding. You know, you know, you had a misunderstanding about the date with June 11 was and those things. Obviously, I think the bishop understands the capacity constraints on churches, especially smaller churches, right? We're one of those, we're, we're probably the only one. The only one has the issue. Yes. Well, we're the smallest church with the highest attendees, right family attendees. So in the diocese, it's not like you're out in the mountains, where you get 20 families going to church in a church, probably close to our size, maybe a little bit smaller. But you know, not much, maybe a little bit bigger St. Francis, but not much bigger. So not an issue for for, for them. So when we get those directives, you think that will trigger a serious discussion about moving back to church? What do you think? What are your thoughts on that?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, my thoughts on that, like I say, if, if all games goes well, in regarding to the recommendation for the governor, my gut feeling we go back, the following week, tells me got build.

Tim Stout:

So we'll be a little bit ahead of that and planning, I guess. Right. Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Scotty I think the key planning for me which you guy Oh, here, it has to live stream of, you know, definitely it's not going to be you know, like this quality quality from from, from Steve providing this expert stuff. But some type of live streaming, that we have homebound people can actually participate in that.

Dallas Kelley:

And the unvaccinated

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

and the vaccinated who still hold the grudge on

Tim Stout:

unvaccinated? But I mean, I think I think we can set Steve Don't you think we could set something up in church where it's a little bit simple that is the library is is and you know, we the church may need to invest in a camera or a piece of equipment. But we've a lot of the stuff that we've got here can work, we can train some other people to do that. I need some time off. I know Steve wants some time off. I'm taking some time off.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, but definitely, you know that, besides all you need some time off all the technology, and we have to begin retraining our people you can minister to know,

Tim Stout:

you know, all that stuff. We have to retrain us. Yeah, all of it, right. I mean, our our mannerisms that we do at Cardo were completely different from what we do inside the church, and even what you do on a weekday mass or whatever, that's completely different than Sunday Mass. So it's gonna be it's gonna be fun. Can you imagine that first mass back? At that capacity? Can you?

Dallas Kelley:

I know, put? I don't think so. We probably still won't offer the cup for a long time. You

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

know, we don't offer for a while. My My sense is not gonna be meal. Well.

Tim Stout:

I've heard people say they'll never come back.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

You know, people all legal, the extreme.

Dallas Kelley:

But it used to not be offered.

Tim Stout:

You know, it's the Well, it wasn't offered when I was a kid. Right? Right. So that was a that was a post Vatican two move, right. But I don't remember it really until, I don't know, probably the 90s. Really, I don't remember it becoming prevalent. I could be wrong there because I was a kid didn't pay much attention to

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

it well in the ad that reintroduce that but back and then it'd become expectation and in the 90. And you know, the 2000 it is what it is?

Dallas Kelley:

Once you start something for alone, kind of like the you know, the holding of the hands during the RFI. Once you once you do something for years, when

Tim Stout:

people get emotional about it, it's hard to stop something. I mean, that's that that's a great example, because people really have they have feelings about that. Right? That's important too. You know, there's, there's a, we can have a lot of theological discussion about that too. Good way,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

oh, the intensity. It's just a matter how to relook at every liturgical practice that we have to make sure we emphasize for me, I always operate bit on the prime theology and the secondary theology, you know, the whole hand is okay. But the interesting part, the silo piece, remember? Oh, yeah, that's a tough one

Dallas Kelley:

is whether people get on about moving they had to hurt

Tim Stout:

to a different time. Right. But if you look out, families are giving each other side of people yeah, I mean, that's an even even non family members are given the sign of peace, people that feel comfortable given the sign of peace to somebody. And again, we're not going to get out there and say, Stop.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah, I do have a sense of therapy but really fearful. There is a genuine fear of this virus, right? No, absolutely. And so so for example, if I give Deacon dollar sign a piece and he's a no Think about the ramification of the feeling of the person publicly

Tim Stout:

public right now I get it. I mean, I think it's tough. But you know, you're not going to if if there's just if the Celt Kelly's you're sitting next to the staffs, and they hear, give each other the shadow side of the piece, and we give each other side a piece. That's because we've made that conscious decision. You can't stop that. I don't think you can stop that.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Do you? Right? Well, at least there had to be some type of norm during this early phase. Absolutely, you know, to do to do bring a sadness in.

Tim Stout:

I think that based on what we're doing outside, I think that kind of magnifies that, that a little bit for us because the people sit in pods, right. They stay social distance, but they sit next to their friends and people they feel comfortable to or somebody they want to talk to after mass or whatever. And so they're shaking those people's hands. So when we get back in church, we don't have the luxury right? We have we have a norm that has to establish, but if somebody reaches out, you know, it's just gonna be it's gonna be an education. It's gonna be it's gonna be tough. Holy Water gone for a while to still write you think?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yeah. I don't know. We'll see.

Tim Stout:

Is that always that's always been around the head.

Dallas Kelley:

Hollywood as far as I know. Wow.

Tim Stout:

Who would have thought three years ago, four years ago, whatever. We'd be talking about this kind of stuff.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, I was at the Cathedral of what a church in Florida. And there's a a dispensary. So cool. But you can put holy water you put your hand out. And it you know, the liquid came out and

Tim Stout:

like the hand sanitizers. Yeah,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

but it looked very nice. It looked like a very sacred in some shape. I have to find out that product. Because

Tim Stout:

you know, if it was for a church, it was probably like 22,000 anything for churches,

Dallas Kelley:

church, a boat or tractor? Or wedding? Or wedding jack?

Tim Stout:

Hey, last thing before we move on to Mary Cardo. Hey, do you want to talk about anything going on out here at us? You know, we've we've poured some foundations, right? For the modular,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

modular is in place.

Tim Stout:

Anything else going on out here?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Not that I know of.

Tim Stout:

You know anything going on? We're out here. Yeah. It's hot. It's hot on the building is hot is hot Titan here. So

Dallas Kelley:

when Steve turns him lights on hot here.

Tim Stout:

I'm gonna post before we break down I'm gonna take Dallas take a picture that you got. Because it's pretty upset. Don't you think? It's pretty impressive.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

We have a real studio.

Tim Stout:

Is this legit? Back there we go. We got a pretty good view. It's, it's something special. Hey, so moving on to the main topic two main topic number two, it's may in the Catholic Church may is all about Mary. Right. Right. Yes. They're taking pictures. So why?

Dallas Kelley:

Why the month of May how that happened. You want to follow you want to put your hand over here and

Tim Stout:

is there a song month of May Allah Allah Allah Allah Allah Allah Allah Allah? What's that from?

Dallas Kelley:

Andy Gertz Andy Griffith.

Tim Stout:

Everybody go Google it YouTube it

Dallas Kelley:

Barneys things the month of May.

Tim Stout:

The month of May we should I cue that up on the media player Steve that we got. That would have been Christ Yeah. He got knocked down. Oh, it would have been trademarked out trademark copyright it out.

Dallas Kelley:

Because he did find the song I don't know who sings it. But besides Barney, somebody besides Barney saying.

Tim Stout:

So may we typically have a lot going on? We were good at Crown Mary over the Grotto and in a windstorm occur windstorm came

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

and that was good to go.

Tim Stout:

And that was the fastest mass of all time right? We finished in 20 minutes Am I right in saying that to sound right Steve? Was it 20 minutes? Yeah, right 20 minutes.

Dallas Kelley:

A lot of times people out there in the field or the Pew don't get to hear what's going on the artist sometimes Dallas go out there and say one land maybe to get back in here.

Tim Stout:

There were houses destruction was before the gospel. One

Dallas Kelley:

man maybe to get back in.

Tim Stout:

It was bad that I mean, that was that was some serious with that day. You know, we look back on that stuff. It's it's kind of, you know,

Dallas Kelley:

that had been the worst wind so far. Well, yeah.

Tim Stout:

I think it was probably the worst day, even with the temperature extremes and those things you can kind of deal with temperature. But that wind, you can't. There's nothing you do about that. And we were we were we had Jesus locked down. Right. We had every patent. We had locked down hands homepages hands, hope purifications I mean, it was it was crazy. But we we wanted to crown Mary See, we're just we're gonna do that at all or is that just kind of weird? That could have been done?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

About this week? It's Pentecost.

Tim Stout:

Steve's over there thinking Do I have to film this?

Dallas Kelley:

Every time we make a move, Steve has a heart attack.

Tim Stout:

He's asking for a pay raise. You're on the same pay plan is the deacons.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Tradition still crowded, man we crowd inside. But we have not crowded out.

Tim Stout:

Okay, so if we maybe who's preaching this weekend, you

Dallas Kelley:

one last one land maybe?

Tim Stout:

The weather was good, though, right? The weather's good this weekend. Right, Steve? Come on. You know what the weather's like you always know what the weather's like. It's gonna be hot, hotter than we're used to. So please, Padre, before you come to mass.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

You see, it should be crowded, marry, ideally by Pius the 12. By 12. It was May 31 is a queenship of Mary. That's when I lose you crowded. But we moved her later until August. So we we have the Immaculate Conception that we celebrate in August.

Tim Stout:

And then the other big feast, it will may 1. And there's one there's another one which 1am I missing?

Dallas Kelley:

I wasn't paying attention.

Tim Stout:

I'm looking major feast days for Mary Magdalene, the holy The Holy Days of obligation. assumption assumption which Immaculate Conception God assumptions in August Michael conception is in December. January 1, there's a host and every Saturday to write every Saturday is can't be paid to Mary can be that she has a lot of apparitions, too.

Dallas Kelley:

And the wind for this Sunday is three mile an hour. I just saw three miles. That's good. Yeah,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

that's good for hit index ADA.

Tim Stout:

So if we're going to crown marry somebody I think needs to probably tell and or Lydia.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Well, her crown is at ease here.

Musician:

Well,

Tim Stout:

are you sure? Yeah. Okay, sure. The stuff out it disappeared last week.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Was it disappeared?

Tim Stout:

I don't know. So let's check that out. So let's just do an exercise here. No googling. Put your phones down. Let's see. We just keep going around and say a title for Mary. And see who gets stumped and can't figure what's a white

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Mother of God.

Dallas Kelley:

Virgin Mary. Where are you when the pressures on you? know it's it's hard.

Tim Stout:

Mother of Jesus.

Dallas Kelley:

Mary of the Rosary.

Tim Stout:

Baby, you got Our Lady of Guadalupe, right?

Dallas Kelley:

Our Lady of Fatima ibotta. You could actually if you look on the calendar, you could go on and on.

Tim Stout:

There's there's probably 100

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Oh, she have a lot of title. It's a litany of her

Tim Stout:

rosary.

Dallas Kelley:

How many? How many decades of the rosary are the Immaculate Heart of Mary. And we take it to the rosary are there? Oh, oh, there's four mysteries. There's 10. There's the five decades any Trojan?

Tim Stout:

There's five decades in each rosary. And there's four sets of mysteries mysteries. that's relatively new. Right. john paul? The second? Yeah. luminous mystery.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

mystery.

Tim Stout:

lot going on with Mary. You've got some pretty cool Mary investments. Do I have to say that? I do. Yeah. Don't you think you?

Dallas Kelley:

Don't you think he has some pretty cool ones? Beautiful. Yeah. I think it might be Our Lady of Guadalupe. Is that is that what a loop? What's on their?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Quito heaven?

Tim Stout:

We could use that one. That's the title right Queen

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

available? Yeah. The reason I'm where we got we have you know, we don't have deep investment along with him. So time to invest something new.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, maybe once a year, we could have a special collection for investments.

Unknown:

Been a while.

Tim Stout:

We'd like for him to match. So it does. It does add some matches important. And none of us like the dialysis investments, right? Yeah,

Dallas Kelley:

I don't say they handed it to him. Nobody really liked it. I don't know who made the decision. It's

Tim Stout:

a white vestment but it's red. had that. Do you know how that what the story is of that?

Unknown:

caribou?

Tim Stout:

Karen, if you've listened, we thank you for those investments. A really nice

Dallas Kelley:

5 million phone number.

Tim Stout:

The quality of the investment it's a it's a nice investment. It's just it's supposed to be white and it's red. I just don't understand that. How something like that happens. But hey, let's talk about let's do it. officiant report. Sure. okay for us to hear the fish and report, we're gonna try to do this step by step, Steve. Alright, so you'll may have to make sure you have audio on camera seven. And that we in order for us to hear it, we will have to take our headphones off. And I'm glad to mute our mics so that we can hear this special fishing report. Are you ready? Hey,

Dallas Kelley:

I caught this one for fatherly Teddy.

Tim Stout:

Oh, I got it. I got it. Yeah, this is gonna be no audio on this one. Let me pull it up here. I thought I had it. I saw I saw that right? Yeah. Give me a second. Would y'all think of that fishing report though? That was a pretty good fishing report. I mean, as far as

Dallas Kelley:

that was this morning, I went this morning. I'm a little bit exhausted. been up since 333 30. Because

Tim Stout:

you had to get up and be the first one to the fishing. That's right. I usually like punch up seven. What is that? What kind of fish is I? There's

Dallas Kelley:

a saga 21 install guy that is frozen and ready for father Linda cook. It is fava beans, fish.

Tim Stout:

What are you gonna do with that, Padre?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

I don't know yet. I think I'm gonna do probably steamed with mushroom.

Dallas Kelley:

And tomato. So guys post to be fan tastic.

Tim Stout:

Is that going to be for the next clergy meal?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

It could be you can eat fish with bow.

Tim Stout:

You're not gonna fillet it and take the bolt out? No, no. Well, I mean, I might I want to stay in Dallas. Dallas might eat it. But I know. Sherry and Kelly are that good. It's got bones in it slow goes Oh,

Dallas Kelley:

yeah, that's low gluten. Low gluten.

Tim Stout:

Hey, let's see. Go pull up another picture here. Steve, I think here's a father in Dallas both gave us a pitcher sky what we see from the studio. That's father's view, right there. And take that back down. Just get back to me. Just a second. Let me go. See, Dre. That was Dallas's view. And there's the other side of the room there. So a lot going on. I might do a global picture so you guys can see. You know what, what, what goes on? It's

Unknown:

pretty much just what day is? So

Tim Stout:

my brother said, Tell Dallas, he has a question. Did you already get the question? Oh, he said a few minutes ago. My brother's watching. So he's got a question. No, he wanted me to make sure that you knew that you had a question. So that was it. That was at 828 28. So that was 13 minutes ago. Did you get a question? at a 28? Anyway, we digress, we digress. So the ficient report is done by Jason. Jason Barry. We'll be happy about that. So we're going to set up something with john Carter. Dallas is both john Carter's Bo Are we just taking one boat What are we doing and one camera so we're gonna do that

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

or what I think is a good idea. All right.

Tim Stout:

Well, today Cena the day didn't print out on Dallas copy that I sent him and do you shoot shoot me a preview of that Steve up real quick just so I can see who it is real quick because it's the it's the Mexican martyrs I believe in mash correct in saying that. It's the oh that dude,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

that young dude got

Tim Stout:

shot. No, it's the it's the 25 Well, let's just listen to it. Are you ready?

Dallas Kelley:

Okay, real quick. Let me tell you. Okay, tell. Tell fatherland st Leo's has the touchless holy water dispensers. What like to Deacon Dallas go to fish Taylor jail. Does that shirt say Catholic ATF?

Unknown:

Yes.

Dallas Kelley:

Yes. Okay, go.

Unknown:

Yeah, we're not gonna talk about that.

Tim Stout:

Nothing Yanis Yeah, here we go. He Ray Steve. This is this is Franciscan media's saint of the day for May 21. Today we celebrate St. christobel. de mcgillis. for 150 years. Anti religious laws in Mexico made it dangerous to proclaim Catholicism, churches, schools and seminaries were closed, foreign clergy were expelled. Today we honor 25 martyrs from eight Mexican States who died between 1915 and 1937 22 of them were priests three were laymen. Among them was christobel megalon is born in 1869 year Guadalajara he worked in the field before entering the seminary following his ordination. He served at his hometown organizing catechetical centers and schools in the rural area, founding an orphanage, helping the poor establish garden plots, encouraging devotion to the Rosary. When the government closed the seminary in Guadalajara christobel established a clandestine one in his parish, it was between 1924 and 2008 and especially brutal period of repression, which sparked the formation of the cristero movement. Its members pledge their allegiance to Christ and to the church, whatever the dangers for christoval manganous. The End came in 1927, when he was lined up against the wall with other prisoners and faced a firing squad at the canonization of the martyrs of Mexico in 2000. pope john paul the second praise them for witnessing to their faith and for explicitly forgiving their persecutors. There's more about the saints along with inspiration and Catholic resources at our website, Saint of the day.org. From Franciscan media, this has been sated the day there you go companions. The Vietnamese have have something similar to that as well.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Right. Ben any more?

Tim Stout:

Yeah. So that that happens a few times through the counter? Yes, yes. Hey, what are we could do next show? Anybody got any ideas?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

You have anybody line up?

Tim Stout:

I don't. I was thinking about trying to do father Mark Bentley once he coming in town. For us asking about taping it. June sometime June,

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

the second week of June.

Tim Stout:

Is that the week? Um, I'm on vacation through the 11th or 12th. So he's Is he on the 13th?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Yes. Okay.

Tim Stout:

But he heeds he started downward. So we could do it remotely or something like that with

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

him? I have not. I didn't check with him.

Tim Stout:

Sometime, whatever you see in town, or we could. And if he's in town, and we're not out of town, we could do it. Tape it through the week or something like that. That'd be good. That'd be he'd be he's a good guy. I like him a lot. I ran into him a whole lot. At seminary, same 100 just never saw it without a smile on his face. I mean, really. But now that he's a priest, that price change. He has, he has parishioners. So if God love You, Father, Mark, the quote, father. And I'm still trying to work on Jason Hall at cc ky. PB a good one, two says sessions over and we just talked about what's going on from

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

a lot of good things happened.

Tim Stout:

Yeah, no, I mean, we didn't really talk about what's going on with on the abortion side. But there's a lot of things going on with abortions that we talked about that next time just Yes, Supreme Court. Supreme Court could hear case and there's been I want to say 30 something state laws that have been passed that are in position if something happens with Roe v. Wade, that in those 37 states abortion would be basically illegal. So a lot of good stuff happening on that front. So we'll, we'll get back to that. Next next show. Jason Hall, maybe cck. Father mark, you know, I'm thinking you ought to reach out to our good friend, Gus Lloyd. Now that COVID is over, especially where he's at. He's in Florida. I've got the best governor in the world. Down there. Right. Father, or sorry, father, Governor Ron de Santos. he's a he's a good one. So you were just down here. So he's got like, like him? between him and the Texas Governor Abbott.

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

Those those guys get father Smith. be interesting to call. Yeah, that'd be good. That would be

Dallas Kelley:

on my all event. Let

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

me email him. Great. Bye. Oh, yeah, the Bible app that he has, I think that's really intriguing.

Tim Stout:

I want you to see me and then invite him to the concerts that are here too, if he's got his COVID card. So stay tuned. Next show is Friday, June 4. He said we're figuring out the guest. That's how we do it right here. You just heard it live. We play this things. But if you've got ideas, let us know. We try you know, we're not gonna be able to get the second Catholic President of the United States that's not gonna happen. But you know, give us your ideas and if you have a connection with somebody you know them personally let us know that help us. You know, get somebody in the studio or we prefer in the studio, but we'll go virtual as well. So if you're not a follower, follow us and support our ministry. Go to ss fj.org. You can also follow the website that you see up now SS Francis john.org that I'll take you to it but shortcut SS f j.org takes you right to the Giving page, support our ministries. This isn't listed deacons discussion drinks is not listed on that page. But there are a lot of things that you can support and we need your support, just like every Catholic Church does. during these times as we come out of COVID, a lot of lot of things are changing. And a lot of those things, take money. So support our ministry and help us continue to get the gospel out to the people in our community in our parish. Would you give us a blessing?

Fr. Linh Nguyen:

greatest gift we give you thanks for this wonderful opportunity to become to celebrate the gift of faith that allow us to use in our work. We asked to bless our people, those who listen those who are attentive to the work that we do, in the name of the Father and the Son of the Holy Spirit.

Tim Stout:

Amen. Amen. Well, another good show, guys, and until next week. I'm Deacon Tim.

Dallas Kelley:

I'm picking Dallas Berlin.

Tim Stout:

Good night, everybody. Good day ever.

Musician:

Did you ever stop and think why spend too much time getting ready? I don't know or single thing that I haven't noticed. Then when I see you, my heart starts racing. But I don't know if it's the same thing my hands start shaking.