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#12 Fr. Norman Fischer - St. Peter Claver, Lexington Catholic - Racism in the World Today
The Deacons sat down with Fr. Norman Fischer, Parish Priest from St. Peter Calver in Lexington. Fr. Norman is also the Chaplain for Lexington Catholic High School in Lexington. We discussed racism and related current events pulsating through our country and communities.
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Today is June 12 2020, Friday of the 10th week in Ordinary Time and you were tuned into deacons discussions and drinks.
Dallas Kelley :Quit laughing at me cuz I'm saying, wait till Sunday you'll hear me saying
Unknown Speaker :it's the same thing my head starts shaking
Tim Stout :Good evening, everybody. And welcome to all our listeners as we kick off the weekend here from the cardones own recording studio. I'm diggin Tim Stout. I'm Deacon Dallas Kelly. I'm following when we got a visit here. What's his name?
Fr. Norman Fischer :Hey, everybody's father Norman Fischer. I'm saying very clever little tricks of big heart getting bigger, and like the Catholic chaplain gonna be with you.
Tim Stout :Wow, that's a, that's a long title. But that's good, right? Long titles are good. That means you're busy.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Oh, that's definitely one descriptor.
Tim Stout :So, Hey, welcome to the studio.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Thanks. Good to be with you guys. Appreciate you all and father Lynn and just this effort. It's a great tool of evangelization.
Tim Stout :Well, like I told you earlier, this is number 12. For us. We think we think that keeps getting better. But you know, nobody tells us that they're not so we're gonna keep doing it. Either something happens or the bishop says Hopefully that doesn't happen. But we always kick off the show father Norman with a segment that we call current events or topics. And usually I have to start because those guys don't really have Oh, I had one last month and they think on the fly so we'll let you go. last case you want to think of a current event you want to contribute? Don't no pressure you don't have.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yes, I want to see what's current with you guys.
Tim Stout :So you want to go first again, Dallas.
Dallas Kelley :I'll go again. Okay. Okay, Miami is a two brothers ordained Catholic priest on the same day in Denver, Colorado, Peyton and Connor and I'm gonna butcher that last name Plaza Ella, are brothers from Mobile, Alabama. They're 18 months apart one school great apart. Despite the occasional competitive sin squabbles that many brothers experienced growing up. They've always been best friends. We're closer than best friends. Connor told CNA as young men in grade school, high school, college, much of their lives centered around the things you might expect academics, friends, girlfriend and sports. There are many paths the two young men could have chosen for the labs. But ultimately, last month, they arrived at the same place, laying facedown in front of the altar, given their labs over in service to God in the Catholic Church. Wow. There's on there's more but
Tim Stout :we're how often that happens. I mean, brothers getting ordained. Obviously, you are you were ordained your brother was ordained but not on the same day.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :Thank God
Dallas Kelley :it would have been fine. Watching a fight
Fr. Linh Nguyen :was good though. I was with a before him. And so I was able to put my hand on his head and mess with his hair. Do you remember to this day,
Tim Stout :so you read his ordination? Yeah. And he was at church. But he was at yours as a laborer as a lay person. Where was he ordained? It was at a in Texas for Texas. Okay, yeah. And this was in Colorado.
Fr. Norman Fischer :And then I've had some twins, some African American twins. They were the actually, historically the first black twin priests. They were for the society Divine Word. spds. Chuck, fathers Chuck and Chester, and just about a month ago, Father Charles went home to God. But amazing dynamic duo.
Tim Stout :Wow. I mean, that's got a really changed the family dynamic a lot. I mean, sure for you as well. But to be I'm assuming maybe, just to say if they went to seminary together. Did they did it? Yeah. So I mean, that's just to me, that's, that's a heck of a bond. Absolutely. Bro. Your brothers can't say
Fr. Norman Fischer :brother can't say brothers from another mother. Brothers from the same mother.
Tim Stout :Also brothers, just brothers and brothers. That's right. That's right. two forms of brothers. that's a that's a good one, Dallas. I like that one. How about you following Do you have any
Dallas Kelley :Are you saying you didn't like my other ones? Try
Tim Stout :to go or you got something
Fr. Linh Nguyen :I do. I do I do. You're not gonna
Tim Stout :you're not gonna take mine because I write mine down.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :Oh, you can have that too. Too political. My was I read a great article which i think i thought i sent to you on priest in a was at New York time write an article on delegate of the priest that dealing with COVID-19 and the goto anointing phenomenon article LSM time I think is a deal priest friend of mine. Father Diwan is in California, just passed away from COVID-19 he was phenomenal priests ordained 25 years to die from Corona virus.
Tim Stout :Wow. Yeah. And and so you know, it Did he contract the disease because of the work that he's done?
Fr. Linh Nguyen :Yeah. And we got one of the brother priests in in Danville, right Norman father Anthony McLachlan contract overcame that. He overcame it but he got it in the ministry you know, we don't it's very vulnerable being a priest especially in the sacrament anointing in the what we encounter but it's all part of that risk. Right? Absolutely. But it's a risk for the glory of God so that articles would find it and read it.
Tim Stout :Yeah. Maybe we'll get it posted up and posted up here on Facebook here under the comments before we get done here but great article New York Times a lot of photos Yeah, it shows image the priest in disposable. What's the word? I don't even know what you call it but full face shield man no thing down like a disposal p E. PE. So, I mean, it was a great article. And it it, I thought, I always think that a picture's worth 1000 words. So when you see what Powys ministers actually a picture of a, of an elder or an elderly bill person laying in the bed, and he's got his hand on on their leg, it's just the image is just so striking.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :But that was a friend of mine, you know, I sent to her and she say, well, we all as everybody preferred responded, but no one pray for priest in this time of pandemic in
Tim Stout :Iraq, it's the same discussion we had last week about essential right, but you know, we've, our culture has seemed to have forgotten that essential should include priests as first responders and church as an essential, essential, almost like business but as an essential entity that people need. Right We forget, we forget that. Our government sometimes forgets that But I obviously priest, very, very critical. I
Fr. Norman Fischer :didn't stop being important. That's like and then not the narcissistic way but I didn't stop being needed I guess for people who actually it was so ironic during the pandemic that confessions were coming out of the woodwork where people were calling that I've never met or never would have experienced normally. And they were saying I hadn't been to confession and six years you mind not find a space I'd find the plot, you know, obviously the hall and just sort of be six foot apart and all of that sanitization all that but it was not uncommon right away when the church was shut down, that people were requesting reconciliation in sacrament of anointing. Do you
Tim Stout :think that is because they were afraid of contracting the virus and dying or do you think that it just gave people more time to think about what the heck is going on? I think
Fr. Norman Fischer :it was, I think it was that because when you have such a pandemic, and you start seeing things here, you can't control like you You can't control your job, you can't control your health now, or you can in some ways, but you can't stop this pandemic from like, you can't come over here. And now it's, it's gonna find you. Right. So it it really sifted I think of the word like sifted or shifted our perspective on what and who matters most and who's in our lives. So I think in so many ways, confession was a really soulful remedy to know that I think God matters to me now and let me just start over. Let me just refresh who I am and and let God speak to me once again.
Tim Stout :Good point. We had a little bit of a talk about that last week about, you know, our concerns about how many people will come back to will, you know, you've got that group of people like you that are that you just described searching, wanting, wanting more of their faith when they can't have it. But what about the people that Have it Yeah. That, that don't come back because they they get into a routine or they feel like hey, I was without church for so long. I'm good.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, I mean, you know how the Lord, he's raining on both the good and the evil is Ciao he's loving is showering everyone at this time and graces I keep on thinking the word grace, even in this time of you know, we'll get talk talking about that a little bit, you know, racial division and things like that. God's love is coming down on everybody in his grace to find a way to help each other and lift each other up lean on me, if you will, is happening so I, I think like Grace is happening in the midst of these times.
Tim Stout :And we have to be open to that
Fr. Norman Fischer :grace. Mm hmm. Exactly. You know, water can wear down a rock. But
Tim Stout :I'm in the rock business. Very, very well, right. Just keep bone rock is hard. But water is stronger. And that's it's an amazing thing. Well, real quick back part of it was just this week the Massachusetts Joint Committee on Public Health reported Massachusetts Senate Bill 2745 is favorable. And you say, what is Senate Bill 2745, commonly known as the physician assisted suicide bill. So, here we go. But But what is it saying what did the bills that physician assisted suicide will be legal? So, yeah, the the, the Catholic Conference in Massachusetts has a whole list of things that they don't like about the bill. It was too long for me to write down and read off 12 things but you know, from access to the medication to a physician not having to be present. You know, so if you take you take these pills by yourself in your home, that's that's a problem by itself. And then if something goes wrong, you're by yourself. And then if you have these pills in your home, somebody, you have a kid or somebody that in your house that grabs a pill, you know, I mean, there's just so much, so much wrong with it, just from that perspective, from the process part of it, but from the morality and ethics out of it. To me, it's opening a door in this country, obviously, that we feel like has been been open for a while when we talk about abortion, and we talk about immigration, and we talk about capital punishment. We talk about these different things on on a pro life position, euthanasia about a Baptist preacher. I've worked with the same Baptist preacher for 20 years, and he's always by he's the guy who's way out there. And whatever he says is way out there. I say that's not gonna happen. And then it starts happening. And this is one of them, you know, this whole euthanasia thing. I thought, man that's not gonna come to this country.
Dallas Kelley :Yeah, but you mentioned something like something could go wrong at the home. Well In this case, we want something to go on, right? if something went wrong, you're living you know, so.
Tim Stout :I mean it just to me, it's just it's just a sad state of affairs that we have such disregard for human life.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Absolutely.
Tim Stout :Let's just say, so I hate to be the the down. Debbie Downer. I
Fr. Norman Fischer :can lift you guys up though. I heard of it. Dun dun dun looked whenever I got a car. Well, I just posted it. It's so funny. I was like, Hey, I just posted something that's current 53 years ago this day was legalization of interracial marriage swept across was made legal across our nation and that's thanks to interracial couple black groom and African American bride, Mildred and Richard loving and there's a movie about that. That couple actually. And they paved the way and I think of my brother in law and my sister Maria and Brian has interracial couple my dad and my mom has interracial couple I think that you know, Love makes away you know, love find a way but it didn't come without the sacrifices for having to present either a case of why you should marry someone who you already know God has blessed you with and love and called you to love as a vocation. So I don't even know how they would not deem it sacramental but we all know that that was a case before and the Catholic Church is interracial marriages and and you can't do that in the sanctuary. Let's do that in the rectory. So that's an issue of that hasn't been without an issue in the Catholic Church too. But here it is. 53 years ago.
Dallas Kelley :Yeah, that but that wasn't just because I think if he wasn't baptized, you couldn't get married. Right right in the rectory because I know somebody who had to get married in the rectory. Right?
Fr. Norman Fischer :Exactly, exactly. I think there was just like, there's more churches in pastors that were not comfortable marrying interracial couples. And so they say though you go to St. Paul's, because we ain't doing that here at St. Peters or something to that effect.
Tim Stout :Well didn't know that. Wait. I didn't know that. Yeah. And and I might say that a lot tonight. This is we talk about different topics because one of the things that I've been doing this past week is I've been reading a biography of Martin Luther King Jr. Mm hmm. And, obviously, that's one of the things we want to talk about today racism and, and I think to understand where we're at today, you have to understand where we came from. And I think for me, as I read, I haven't thought through all of it, but, you know, I know who, who he he was. I thought I understood his called his ministry. It was brief 12 years. I was I was shocked at that guy that had such an impact and only lasted 12 years. I thought that was amazing. And then the whole thing that started started his movement and his public ministry, I would say is the the Montgomery Bus situation and Rosa Parks. And if you would ask me if I knew what, what happened there, I would say I know what happened there. I didn't know what happened. I didn't have But I think that's one of the things for me to take away from where we are today is that I've got a lot to learn. And, you know, you got to you got to start somewhere. We can't just keep saying, you know, we can't keep saying, we know that doesn't affect us doesn't influence us has no effect on what we're doing in our parish or in our community or whatever it does. We and we have to we have to understand it and understand it requires effort.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :Well, you got a debate a comment with you told me about coach Mitchell.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, I just had a prayer service last Thursday and our Dean or a deanery was on Tuesday we met they were they were all from the parish pastor, like directors to the pastor's of the region and deacons and so on so forth. They were like we've got to do something. We've got to come together. We've, what are we doing? And so I said, well, as Catholics, as Christians, we sort are all about healing. And maybe we should offer some prayer and gathers and not a protest way, but a different kind of way. And all of a sudden, they said, Oh, you want to host it? And I'm like, Oh, man. And then Oh, can you like literally put it together? And I'm like, Oh, man. So here we are. I have two days to get it together. I asked the bishop on a whim, he says, I'm in I'm coming. I'm like, okay, that's check. But then everything else, I just sort of asked the Lord, right, because that's always good to do as the Holy Spirit to help with this whole thing, because I literally had two days. And not only that, but people started hearing about it. And then they started saying, you know, news channels started and I'm like, oh, shoot. So now it's a matter of who's going to be reading who's going to be presenting who's going to be sharing Well, I figured coach Mitchell is earlier. You know, he's Sam. He's very energetic. He's in, he's in a nicer day. And I figured he might do something like that. Now, I figured like he Robin on, he might give us some inspiration just because he's responsible for a lot of African American student athletes, as well as has a great coaching staff. And his testimony totally went away that I did not expect. And that was essentially that he in the wake of George Floyd, he was already scheduled to leave the country and go for some vacation time with his family much needed and a blessing. And when the news broke about George Floyd, he sort of was shielded from it. He obviously was shielded by being another country, but when he came back, everyone was saying you need to say something you need to you need to make a statement and he was feeling a little bit resentful about what do you mean, I need to make a statement. I mean, that's not really gonna impact me. So You know, he felt sort of defensive and resentful for that. Which then his wife said, you need to if you don't say something, you're a coward. And he said that public. And so, and she's an awesome, amazing Catholic and she was able to obviously reach him but also the staff once he said, You know what, I better find out what's going on. So he called zoom meeting and and shared with had all the team players and all the coaches assistance share. And that's when he broke down, he literally broke down and he said that How could I have overlooked all of these beautiful people that I take for granted now, I didn't realize I was taking them for granted because I wasn't looking from their perspective with either something that mattered to them something that was offending them something that was overwhelming them. And so he broke down into tears as he was telling us this, and he says I want to sit in this uncomfortability and this discomfort because I'm I'm not gonna I don't want to ever take my team and the people that I love and care for for granted. And I need to so he made the statement, obviously and came out with that. But it was I did not expect him to go into that place of recognizing that he had privileges and he had he had an an indeed he was insulated from the racial disparity and any kind of discrimination that his players may be feeling or or even subject to.
Tim Stout :Is that is that was that did you get the idea that that was because inside the program, there, there is racial harmony inside the program. And that's where his focus was always in. It wasn't on what the forces were outside looking in.
Fr. Norman Fischer :I think, again, I think like everybody does get along on the team. Absolutely. He loves his teammate. He loves his team, and they have mad respect for him. But I think like when everything's good, it's good. But if when everything's bad, I'm not on for that. Right. And so he's not aware of and yeah, and code isn't just when we win and when we maybe lose here, but it's also off the court. And you sort of see, that's the truth with every player players aren't just athletes any longer. They are advocates, as you know, as has been a trend nowadays. So you have to when you coaching an athlete, it's not you're just coaching their athletic ability, you're, you're coaching their, their spirit, you're coaching their person, they're you're coaching someone who has great days and tough days. So I think he definitely was more vulnerable than ever before. And I think that he definitely has he's raised up for the occasion, but I think it was very humbling for him and, you know, very emotional for him to get up there. And he did not plan on knowing exactly what he was going to say and I didn't at all plan on hearing anything like what he said. So I commend him and I'm very grateful for his friendship. He's been a very good friend to me, in my parish to
Tim Stout :does he He's Catholic. Yes Weiss Catholic, goes to church at your church, Christ
Fr. Norman Fischer :the King. He's definitely a friend. And it's been a blessing along the way.
Tim Stout :Coach, Cal's Catholic, but his wife's not Right, right. Just wanted to get the Catholic players lined out a little bit.
Dallas Kelley :So Mitch Mitchell goes to Christ King. I thought he went to get a flavor. Now. Very, very clean.
Fr. Norman Fischer :He has his wife was brought into the church there.
Unknown Speaker :I just
Tim Stout :my son in law's a football coach, and he's probably listening. But I've always got that impression how you describe the relationship? internal. I mean, I don't I'm obviously I'm not with him all the time. But I think that that bond between a coach and a player is a special bond. Mm hmm. And just to hear the story of Matthew Mitchell, I think there's a lot of coaches doing it across the country.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, I think so. I mean, even you got Drew Brees, you got his wife just being We're on not a patriot patriotic level, but on a respect level, just trying to hear why people are kneeling as opposed to what you're kneeling there for. And I think that, you know, there's a, there's a grace, like I was mentioning before, there's a grace that we all need right now to not react and try to keep everything status quo. But to actually look at things while things are being sort of shifted, like I mentioned earlier. It's there's a grace to see how other people see there's a grace to walk how other people walk. And I think for so many years, even with the issue of police brutality, that certain statistics point to or indicate that certain groups are getting targeted more intentionally and more viciously, and and even a tinge of racism and bias. So it's like we have to look at you know, I love my police officers and hung out with some last week and bought them coffee, you know, prayed with the I guess the dah dah dah dah, who is the responsible for the police chief? Yes, weathers Miss officer what weathers and there is a need for prayer and unity more than ever with our police force. But also there are police forces that may indeed have some, some real tinge of corruption, that there are systems that protect one another from even calling each other out. And so I think there is some real and some cops are actually coming out with honest statements about some of their precincts got some funk. And so it's important to during this time of grace to say, you know what, we're here to maybe as civilians, help you to be accountable to some of that, and I think that's not a bad thing.
Tim Stout :I agree that there are some bad cops out there. And it's, it's something I think nobody really wants to talk about. Right? We just don't want to talk about it because It's not affecting us. And then but when it affects you, it's too late to talk about it at that point. There should have been action before that. One of the things we did touch on a little bit last week was the issue of no knock warrants. And I think what I said last week was how the heck is that legal in the United States? You know, but it is. And, you know, I think there should be some action on that there was a bill that was introduced by Rand Paul this week in the Senate to make those illegal. But it goes beyond that. Right. It goes beyond that. It goes beyond as a culture shift. Yeah. Be aware of. And I think, I think there's this low level of uncomfortableness that is, is in the air. People are not. If you're, if you're a white person, and you're not in a very integrated community, you think how does it affect me? And you want to say, Okay, what can I do, but you don't know what to do. Right? And I think that's what makes that uncomfortable is, you know, what's the right thing to do? Because that's one of the biggest questions I've seen. It's the and we'll get to this Father cyprian Davis pledge but that's one of the questions that one of the professor's say Meyer said, you know, we're hearing this question a lot. What do we do because everybody wants to do something, but they don't know where to start. Hmm. And, you know, to me, I've been writing my manifesto that I shared with you all last week. It's about for me, it's about movement. We can't stand still. We have to move. And I've got six or seven points of movement that I want to talk about in a homily in a couple weeks. So save your wonder father a rocks Listen, I'm going to use his three points of three points. But one of my points is about. You can't just sit still and wait for something to happen or wait for something to pull you in. You have to seek That movement. And for me, you know, the easiest thing that that I could think that I could latch on to was, hey, let's, let's look at some history. You know, let's go back and look at, you know, where the civil rights movement really took hold in Alabama. And let's learn a little bit more about that and what happened from there forward. And you know, there's some good stuff in there. There's some bad stuff in there too, in in Martin Luther King Junior's biography. But don't we all with there's good and bad and everything and I think to fully understand and comprehend what, what's gone on in history, you've got a we've got to go back and read about it. I would think, and I'm just making this up, because I have no idea but I would say the vast majority of people because we're so far, we're so far away from it now. Right? Was it 1963 years? I mean, 50 plus years ago
Fr. Norman Fischer :yeah. I think honestly, I've been awakened a little bit too. I was blessed to go to Ghana with Abel, which is an acronym for assessing better living everywhere founded by Dr. Smith and Dr. Todd and they were already working with through the cathedral. I think finally Charles Howe and father are good judgment buddy, Father, Gino. They all would go to the community, a community in a rural community in Ghana and Asan and they, they built a church there and it was a beautiful reality of creating assisted living or creating living for a community that probably would never have had housing. So now I'm you know, they unfortunately now have passed passed on but their grandchildren are going on these mission trips and I they needed a chaplain, so I was bused to go a couple times going there. I mean, it's beautiful land beautiful people. Different kinds of foods and things but we we raise money to build up a school and build a medical clinic. Okay, so I like your concrete bags on your head and you know, it was rough. I mean, it was hardcore living like, you know, move over weed whacker you got a machete, you know, like, literally there's no, there's no it's a lot of work. There's no lawn mowers, I'm just saying. And one of the excursion trips was the slave castles. Elmina was one of the largest ones on the west coast. And to go into this portal, where hundreds and thousands and ultimately millions would be funneled out on annual rowboats and then brought into cargo ships and you know, a third you know, maybe a third survived. Out of all those ships coming from, you know, England, Portuguese, the Dutch they're very much in the slave trade. Our system Catholic realities going on and he Here's this reality where they're separated from their husband or husbands maybe but their families, the dads, the moms, and they were the children. The women were exploited and abused by the slave masters and, you know, it was just horrid wretched, and where they were kept. And we walked down into these, the bottom dungeons where they weren't being held and you could smell you could feel it was just so visceral. And then if you were acted, if you acted out and you're causing an uprising, they would put you in this. This room is small, but it'd be about this room, and it was pitch black and there's like a couple slits, but really high so you couldn't climb out or anything. And there was obviously no food. They even had a skull and crossbones over the door because you weren't going to live. You're going to just go in there and you're going to pretty much you're subject to death. Well, we went in there and we all held hands and we just could feel the same Sadness in that space and I just told everybody, Let's all sing Amazing Grace because that was that song by the slave captain who wrote that, who had his own conversion after being a slave Captain wrote that song Amazing Grace, and we all just Hammad hummed it and sang it. And I just realized that, you know, it truly wasn't something that now we're realizing that slavery, it happened to be the African people that could endure possibly the hardships in the field of the crops. But the most the truth of this is, it was an economic It was a color, you know, not green, but it was the gold it was the making profit off of a people. And if you go back to 1619, and when the first slaves came in, that's in our country anyways in Virginia. That was when the ideas and the prejudice and the system started to begin, that this group of people is is nothing but my cash crop. They're my livestock. And that's the kind of subjugation that and then you have slave, you have the Civil War, which again was all about economics and the black peoples were subject to that kind of perspective when then you had the nation split. And so black peoples were sort of always in the middle of greed and extortion and exploitation, and subjugation and they weren't considered human. And that's what I I still believe that why we're still seeing traces and remnants like you have the Ahmad Aubry case and in Georgia when a guy was just running. Yeah, he might have went into the house, but a lot of people it was recorded went into this house to see what was going to what was it going to be like, and they just found out that the truck hit him. First. They had cotton fibers of his sweatsuit on the truck and then his hand smudged. Gonna try to hold on to the truck in smudged. And then they shot them and then they said blank in Word right i mean it was very blatant racial murder attack and I think that why does that even exist? Well, we have centuries now have hardened hearts we have centuries now of only seeing people as your you're only as good as I can use you. And if you're taken away from me then you're a threat so I need to make sure there's more structures and systems in place that I don't have to deal with you being near me or, or how I'm wired. You said something earlier. I have to learn. I think sometimes you have to unlearn. unlearn, fear, unlearn hate. I was just asked by a lawyer friend of mine, Bob Hoffer in Northern Kentucky. He does a lot of mustardseed mission trips to Jamaica and he asked me to do a reflection And I was like, Oh gosh, I'm asked to do some Morgan. Okay. God help me. Well, I find that prayer service and it was really good, because in the pressure, and I'm dealing with a zoom meeting for 100. Wow. And I'm having to facilitate it. And what I realized was, there's a part of that prayer service which I can forward to you guys about an examination of conscience. How many of us examine our conscience regarding specifically, prejudice, racism, our own biases? I mean, how often do I do it? So we, I took everybody through it slowly after reading the gospel about Jesus was asked who is you know, who is my neighbor? And so the whole good parable of the Good Samaritan, and it just sort of really helped people and people at the very end says, you know, that was, that was spot on. I was struggling. And this sort of cleared some stuff out, that I didn't really want to deal with. So I think like right now in this, in this time and age, we do have to not only look at the civil rights movement, which is important in which obviously we're benefiting from the the, the blood of them, those who are in the sweat and tears of, of our struggles of the struggles of those who are activists and advocates, but we had to go, I think, even across the ocean, across the Atlantic, and understand the issue of why people have been seen in this country, as only a people who could gain economically have economic gains for other people.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :kind of thing is head on, you know, the writing of Pope Francis, very clear about the opportunity and counter encounter Jesus in each other that we live in a culture is so indifferent, and we become so comfortable in our own segregated reality and we never talk to you Other at all, you know, and so and so, you know, his writing is very clear when he talks about the laudato si, you know that that we call it the environment. He didn't talk about the so called worldly environment at all. He talked about feed bait the people, you know, to really encounter one another. And, you know, for a long time, black and white, yellow and green we kind of enjoy our own segregated reality, we enjoy being segregated and until something like this happened and we say whoa, it'll be good. Because deep inside every one of us We want justice. We want to be long. We want to to be with somebody. And and so for a long time, you know, I told you earlier in Scott County, you know, as Minister we want to get together we know we want to interesting about it. But when something like this happened, also everyone want to be part of it. So why the hell were you 13 years ago? You know it, you say you hit head on God Grace is working, are we going to capitalize on God's grace is so crucial, you know, it's so important right now. It come out with a vengeance, you know, because everyone want to do something, you know, every sector. I know, that was three groups of folks in Scott County in Georgia. You know, there's a lot more but the idea is are we willing to to learn from the past and truly experience from the present as we move to the future because there's so many layers demonic that that that rested within human you know, as you brought about the, the slavery right now my thinking about the human trafficking right now. My God is the ultimate business right now more than pornography The business human trafficking, and it's a race is rooted in there. So the issue as the catholic church we all address the social justice issue is bigger than what George Floyd in matter. But it each and every one of us has to, to take it on.
Tim Stout :I think in general, in our human nature, we look to be comfortable. We don't look to be uncomfortable, right. And so, you know, we, we, I hate to say we withdrawal to our communities, but that's what it really amounts to we we live in our communities, even if you look at Georgetown versus like, we don't have to go to license and that's great. Right? We're just gonna live in Georgetown, because we had to go to likes to we get uncomfortable, right? We got more traffic up there. Just it's a different, it's different, and we want to be comfortable and I think that's human nature, to look inward to what makes me happy and The things that don't influence me or don't affect me. I don't have to worry about it. And I think in that case, we we aren't living the life we're called to live.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Well, you know what happened to prophets? Hey, they're gonna hang out with me guys. Now you speak too much truth, dude. You know buzzkill, you know, and I mean, I think you're right in one sense, but I think in, in this day and age, we have to be, like I gave, I posted about, like a skipped record. You know, nobody likes a skipped record, right, or a scratched record that keeps on skipping back over and playing over the same thing. And I think injustice is that very reality is a record with a scratch. So you either got to fix the scratch or just get a new one. And I think like right now we're looking at our scratches and we're looking at how the heck did we come this far? Keep on playing the same song.
Tim Stout :I agree with it.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :You mentioned that, you know, pope john 23rd What do you say? What justice warrior for peace,
Dallas Kelley :peace. You know, Tim mentioned being uncomfortable. I remember when I read you know, our first 33 Pope's were martyred. Can you imagine, you know, when you get up to, you know, 1011 1215 you know, they know what happened. And then they come to you and say father Norman, you've been elected Pope. No,
Fr. Norman Fischer :it's an
Dallas Kelley :it's a death sentence, you know? Yeah,
Fr. Norman Fischer :it is. I mean, that's the thing. It's like to be a Christian. I mean, we just had the celebration of Pentecost. Well, Holy Spirit didn't just come down for you all to just stay stuck and looking at your belly buttons. I mean, to be filled with Holy Spirit means you go out, you know, and you you set the world on fire and you share this good news and it might cost you your life. It might cost you your dignity. In fact, you know, there's a lot of businesses that may have stepped up and says, I want to honor This but now everyone's gonna look at that business and I don't really know about you now you're suspect.
Tim Stout :And that happens all the time. on whatever side of the issue you're on whether you're on the left side or the right side, you know, I'm gonna boycott you because I don't believe 100% what
Fr. Norman Fischer :I mean Case in point, you know, hashtag current events, Starbucks, it was like, No, you can't wear any BLM and you can't express your affiliation like that. And then all of a sudden they got all this boycott stuff. And they says, later on this very, very day, it was like yesterday there everybody's upset and today, they're like, we have changed our statement that everyone can wear.
Tim Stout :That's hard work. They said they had Did you see the hard work they put out? Like, yeah, they went the other way.
Dallas Kelley :But when you shake companies do that. That's not cuz that's, that's financial.
Fr. Norman Fischer :And that's what I'm saying. Guess what, it's fine. We
Dallas Kelley :care now that it's gonna hurt my pocketbook.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Right? And but notice, again, that's a financial issue. I think that we have to look at Racism as a financial issue, we have to be honest about our greed. We have to look at ourselves because if I, if if I see that my, if my pocketbook matters more than you, I still got an issue. It's not about racism, it's about my own selfishness and greed. And, and yes, I might put hire people who are my front persons to make it spin on it. But the issue at the end of the day is it was all about money. It was all about economics. It wasn't about harmony at all.
Tim Stout :And that that happens in business. Every second, right? I mean, that's a good friend of mine was he's been in the same industry for 40 years, same company for 25 years. COVID hits their publicly traded company they get to think okay, what are we doing here? Let's Let's furlough everybody for two weeks. So they furlough everybody for two weeks and then they got to make their financial numbers for wall street. So then they start firing people. Oh, yeah. Here's somebody that's been with them. 30 years and has spectacular reviews. But it's a number they know. And to me, that's hard. I'm glad I work for a family owned business. Because, obviously, if we don't make money, we're out of business. Okay, there is that certain element of that. You want to make money. But you also have to treat your people in a way in a manner that supports the dignity of human life. That's one of the things that I mentioned to you. I work with a Baptist mentor for the last 20 years. We work really well together. We, he's trying to convert me, I'm trying to convert him, we'll see who wins but it's Jesus wins.
Dallas Kelley :Well, if Jesus Williams in that case, you'll be Catholic.
Tim Stout :So, but, you know, we go back and forth a lot, but one of the things that we really have tried to do is run the business in a way that is ethically and morally sound. Mm hmm. That we put those things first, and I honestly believe that if you do that, the financial part will take care of itself. And, you know, there's so many companies out there and the big companies don't have that luxury. They have to make a number if they don't make the number. Starbucks is a great example. If the sales go down in the same stores year over year that managers like they're either. That's just the cold, hard facts. And so yeah, and if they don't make the number for wall street, and that's it, he is not gonna be there. So,
Fr. Norman Fischer :but we just built this stuff.
Tim Stout :Well, you saw that too, right? Where Starbucks as a result of COVID is closing 300 300 stores in North America. They're gonna redesign all their stores just really to be carry out only those that Starbucks, Tara, I don't see them. So the impact on people is undetermined. Really. right because it's we're chasing the almighty dollar.
Fr. Norman Fischer :So next steps, what would you say? next steps for? I think you said something about Father cyprian David's pledge too late.
Tim Stout :I did. Dr. Kimberly Baker who is was one of Deacon Dowson as professors at St matters. And then as I continue to work on my master's, took another class with her. Obviously fellowship and Davis was at St. St. Mater. He was the legendary scholar of church history as it relates to the black Catholics. He wrote the book, literally, he wrote the book on the history of black Catholics in the United States. He set out with a historians task to make the past speak, to highlight what has been hidden and to retrieve a mislaid memory. I mean, when you when you kind of describes what you were talking about other Norman, you know, to highlight what has been hidden. To me that that's kind of racism in the 21st century, 20 century, right. We don't like to talk about it. We'd like to think that it's been corrected. But we have to highlight that and and what what Dr. Baker's basically saying is you have to choose to do something, you cannot not do anything. Oh, and for her what she said that she was going to do was she was going to read a book, a book here. She is going to read a biography of father Augustus tolton. Double.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, he's up for canonization is that fact he's already venerable. So they're just waiting, I think maybe one more miracle, but he is the first black priest. He wasn't even allowed to be ordained in this country. He had to go to Rome. Well, in Quincy, Illinois,
Tim Stout :so that would be a good way to so I'm gonna finish this this first biography on martin luther king. Jr. I like the idea of like to read so that's something that's, that's good for me. I love the idea of Ghana. One of our Deacon, to have our Deacon friends go to Ghana have gone to Ghana.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :I was gonna do a show in Ghana.
Tim Stout :Let's do it. This travel has a travel case. But Nick has been to Ghana several times, Nicole, and he's been everywhere. And Lee Deacon Lee Ferguson, I think went with him last time. I was there with him.
Dallas Kelley :Oh, you went with? Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, when they came back, they told us all about it. They didn't they never
Fr. Norman Fischer :thought I was native. You never know. I blend in so good.
Tim Stout :Do they speak French in Ghana?
Fr. Norman Fischer :No, they speak fonti aunty? Yeah, my dossey means like, thank you and acquire by means hello.
Tim Stout :To me. That would be the ultimate, you know, to be able to do that to to better understand. Like you said to go beyond Just the roots in this country but to go
Fr. Norman Fischer :by the roots were transatlantic. And even like St. Peter cleaver, it's down, you know, near downtown, where I'm the parish priest for. It was set up in the 1890s because black Catholics were not being welcomed in the Irish in the German churches downtown. So the bishop at that time in Covington, because we were part of Covington as well. He set up the church on a second floor, and it made a chapel. And that's today we preserve that chapel, we got an award for preserving that. And the reality is St. Catherine Drexel, noticed the works that we were doing for preserving ministry to black Catholics that she gave us like $8,000 in like the early 1900s. That was a lot of money. Yeah. So she said, she said that if you don't continue ministering to black Catholics, then you have to repay that $8,000 with interest. That would be a lot
Fr. Linh Nguyen :So that's all I can
Fr. Norman Fischer :think of the dresser so we literally have paperwork from her community. Wow.
Tim Stout :That's pretty cool. We don't have anything like that in our little parish. No, thank
Fr. Norman Fischer :you. Yeah, cargo leaves. Precious.
Tim Stout :This is pretty cool place. Some history here, but not that type of history. So you say you've kept the chapels that
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, we've we've kept it as a chapel but also a meeting space. So it's not the formal it doesn't have like stained glass. So it's just like a hall. I mean, a big gathering space. So that's on the, on the corner of fourth in Jefferson,
Tim Stout :right. But you all tore down the old church. It wasn't part of the old
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah. Our church that was there on the corner of Jefferson was built in 1948. And so it was cracking it was sewage water was coming up every time there's a flood it looked rough. Yeah. So we preserved everything and that'll be there. be reintroduced into the new church. Not the pews Of course.
Dallas Kelley :Sorry. Are you still In your temporary place, are you in a new church?
Fr. Norman Fischer :We've been in the hall. So right. I mean, I've
Dallas Kelley :been there, but it's been a couple years. You're still in?
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, we're still in the hall. It's been like six years, six years. So, but we literally are going to be building new churches. I remember
Dallas Kelley :when I came to get some paperwork from you, if you remember that. Right, right. You your desk.
Fr. Norman Fischer :It's still the same desk, please.
Dallas Kelley :I mean, it was two feet thick. Just stuff piled up. And I don't know how you found my paperwork. I
Fr. Norman Fischer :think I did. I hope I did.
Dallas Kelley :I've never seen it.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Since like order chaos.
Tim Stout :There's something to be said about ordered chaos. So you're you're in the middle of a building campaign at your parish. Right. Still predominantly African American,
Fr. Norman Fischer :right. Very ethnic, very multicultural, but definitely has a presence of the black Catholic community in any of Korean sir Is it? We have a Korean community that's right now they've been sort of quiet But now they're definitely want to save their Saturday vigil method they they, they've been able to utilize in our space and then also we've been opening up. And this is interesting. We used to just have mass and Swahili with the Congolese refugee community. And now we have had it every Sunday was the commitment of Foster. Father Muth Anthony muku. He is a herald a good news. He has spent time in the Congo and has the ability to speak Swahili and sometimes when he can't make it I'll do the math in English, but they'd be rolling with the Swahili
Tim Stout :this problem we televise some fall into semesters at via the BS that's good broadcast those out and it's always interesting to hear right a different language it's Yeah, I always like I always like hearing you talk in Vietnamese like you answer the phone you're on Vietnamese but to see a mass when you because you can follow along right you can you get certain parts of it like how do you say, Louis in Vietnamese?
Fr. Linh Nguyen :I don't know. Yeah.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Boy, yeah. Genius I dig into
Tim Stout :how do you how do you say that in Swahili you know, so you get you get
Fr. Norman Fischer :the melee melee. I mean, is that it? I think so.
Tim Stout :So a lot of a lot of cultural diverse a lot
Fr. Norman Fischer :of right we anchored ourselves in our afrocentric. We we understand our roots. So we have African fabrics and different aspects of Afro centrism in our liturgy. And then we have gospel music so to, to continue on African American tradition in music. So you have African drumming, African gospel or African American gospel and African wares we even have one Sunday I think it's the last Sunday of the month is people just decked out in their African garbs
Tim Stout :It's pretty cool. Have you live streamed?
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, now that's what I've been blessed to experience because we used to just to record with the DVD. And now we've just went to facebook live like you guys and I do Instagram Live to answer live whatever I GTV
Tim Stout :Yeah, I do TV like oh, Yeah, there you go. So I had to check that out because the one of the things I've been blessed to travel around the world, some different places, but always you can always recognize the mass even if you can't speak the lane
Fr. Norman Fischer :universal,
Tim Stout :you can speak the language of God. So the Catholic Church so now Peter
Fr. Linh Nguyen :cliff, I have a great choir. You know, when I was in Danville I was introduced Peter Clayton choir to sing with us so something I've been crossed my mind in regarding to see if they can come to celebrate mass with us.
Tim Stout :I suggested that we do our confirmations together outside with the bishop but that card Oh, but he said well, we we already got four oh, we're already we
Fr. Norman Fischer :rolling over to the cathedral.
Tim Stout :Oh, you guys are Yeah, Pedro you took the big house.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yes. Be why oh Chrism
Dallas Kelley :be our own. Se
Tim Stout :now, we were talking earlier about the the governor has increased the attention. Yeah. 50% 2% does that affect the for us? It doesn't affect us.
Fr. Norman Fischer :We can we can go there because we've been we've not been allowed, you know, having Everyone sit beside each other. So all we have to do now is put chairs in the rows for families, as opposed to every family member gets a chair six feet apart. And I'm like, that's not really the best, but we've done it that way. And we haven't really had to turn anyone down. So I think having families for sure in rows will be even better.
Dallas Kelley :At our first communion. A couple weeks ago, we had 450 Oh, she helps that man.
Fr. Norman Fischer :That's powerful.
Tim Stout :It was it was multiple Costco. It was great to see that many people after three months, two months, so
Fr. Norman Fischer :yeah, I was tired of looking at pieces of pictures, Xerox copies of people's faces and chairs. But it worked for a minute. I wasn't so alone.
Tim Stout :Now, I think that's the thing that for for us. You know, we were just Doing the one mass basically. And we were gonna wait a mass to. But liturgy is meant to be about community, obviously, communion community. And just you just don't get that same feeling when you're looking at pictures. Right. Right. And the responses are not very good.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah. I mean, you guys are quiet today. But also when you're wearing masks, it's like, Did anybody say who is that that's said? I'll do it because you can't really see who's whose mouth is moving.
Tim Stout :Are they are they responding? Yeah, one of the things you haven't done yet at our our fatherland at our cartel masses is you haven't stopped and said, All right, let's re sing that song. Or you haven't.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Motherland is
Tim Stout :growing, said I can't hear you. Let's try this again. You're getting old?
Fr. Linh Nguyen :No is not. You just say I'm following the compliance on the bishop. You're better to attain right.
Fr. Norman Fischer :You don't want them water droplets.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :There you go. That's what he used what droplet right droplet? What the heck that droplet anyway, no, Corona?
Tim Stout :Well, I'm assuming that when your enunciation when you enunciate that enunciation propels droplets from your mouth they call it spittle called middle, middle. But, you know if you have a mascot that contains the spittle, but it also decreases the sound. So let's let's just go back real quick here. I will post this Father cyprian. David's pledge for folks. for a couple reasons. One, I think if, if you're, if you're struggling with what to do, it'll give you a reason maybe spur some interest for you. It also has the name of father Augustus tolton. I'm assuming he was born in in North America.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yes, he was the son of runaway slaves.
Tim Stout :Okay, so that that would be a Good. I'm assume heavy is heavy there. Have you read that book? I know who he is. Yeah. That would be a good read, I think to get an understanding of the the prejudice that was going on at the time. I mean, he had to go to Rome to get
Fr. Norman Fischer :ordained that's he was trained by two Irish priests that were very amazingly compassionate and also very encouraging and great role models and and so I'm very proud of proud of the brother, the brother priest that helped him out.
Tim Stout :Well, we'll definitely post that up. You know, just to give some folks some ideas. The other thing that I would be remiss if I didn't, didn't say this, in the last I don't know if you guys have really noticed in the last 10 days, there's been a lot of Bishop appointments.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Hmm, I've heard of one down in New Orleans. A young guy true to
Tim Stout :two. That's weird guess Lloyd. You know, guess Lloyd. If he's on Sirius XM 129. The Catholic channel seize the day morning show. We had him on last week and that's his friend. And he was
Dallas Kelley :Yeah, he was telling us that he cycles. One of his best friends is a priest. And within a week, he found out he was appointed as a bishop for I think 4849 years old.
Tim Stout :Yeah, very young Bishop, very young bishop. But with that Rocco pow pow promo who we've had on you know, he is right. The church whisper
Unknown Speaker :huh? No,
Tim Stout :that's a that's a that's a no, it's furloughed. Yeah. he whispers in the load. Yeah. He breaks a lot who's one of the things he tweeted out today was with the recent appointments, the number of black bishops in the US decreased 40%. So went from having five to having three.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Oh, no, it's always a reality. Up next, bro. We're trying to find the first African American first black saint first of all United States. We haven't we don't even have one. Well, now we don't. It's that it's that tough. So So Father guesses tilt and we have we have Hammerstein Henri de Lille there's tons that are on the who are blessed, but like best appear to assault, you know, but not there yet. So it's just, it's not about money and that's about grace and all that, but I feel like, you know, hopefully the Catholic Church and Pope Francis will say, hey, one of the things
Tim Stout :one of the things we talked about a couple weeks ago is founder of the Knights of Columbus father, Michael, Jamie, give me moved up a notch. And don't you think that that has something to do with the relationship between the Knights of Columbus and the Vatican? Hey, baby.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, I mean, I think again, where we got money, and zombie money is not. Here's the truth. Any canonization cause costs a lot of money, any kind of canonization cause regardless of whose ethnicity or whatever. It takes a lot of money to research it takes a lot of money to advocate to finance it's it's a lot
Dallas Kelley :Investigate
Fr. Norman Fischer :yeah it's not cheap
Fr. Linh Nguyen :very expensive because my family or supporting car no Xavier oh and he'd been blessed now man document the money we raised millions his funds phenomenal
Tim Stout :it'd be nice if everything was free
Fr. Linh Nguyen :grace
Tim Stout :if you just have a great well the grace is free but i mean you know that things didn't cost money well that would impede things that needed to be done. Sure.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :No is required you know from from the investigation is required a lot of fly people in to investigate a bug in consider about the miracles they have to go through process of investigation with doctors and you know, the document with carnal one I think like couple hundred thousand pages. Just putting it for knowledge process ain't easy. So I'm not surprised how much it costs us not because you know this is bureaucracy in a way but it required the detail is required to investigation. So does the church have bureaucracy? No. How can it be?
Tim Stout :It's funny because it seems like we always talk about canonisation on the show, you know a few weeks ago was Fulton Sheen and
Dallas Kelley :Rocco was on problems with the beating body whitey. And then we
Tim Stout :talked about father be giving the power. We're talking about Augustus total tulta don't hold him. Justice tolton Mm hmm. And he would be the first.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Well, if it's not him, there would be the first, you know, African American saint.
Tim Stout :So could you put together a list of some reading material for us that we could pass them on? I can work on that. And then can you also work on putting together a mission trip to Ghana
Fr. Norman Fischer :Hey as soon as the travel restrictions go down
Dallas Kelley :you gain again you're retired you're getting
Fr. Linh Nguyen :somebody covered George's for me
Dallas Kelley :that was a hesitant
Fr. Linh Nguyen :I go to Ghana anytime I don't go as mission trip. JOHN appealed po kwaku Oh, there you go. We do mission trip over there.
Tim Stout :We could do a mission trip to Vietnam. Um, I'm getting for that. Anyway, this is the part of the show where we talk about the sign of the day we use Franciscan media today saying that the day is blessing. Yo lanta of Poland. Also, no. This is Franciscan media's saint of the day for June 12. Today we celebrate blessing you'll enter a Poland. You'll enter also known as Yolanda was the daughter of a Hungarian King, her sister who went on to become saint couldn't gunda was married to the Duke of Poland. As a A young girl you lent to was sent to Poland where her sister was to supervise her education. You'll learn to eventually marry the Duke of greater Poland. She used her material means to assist the poor, the sick widows and orphans. Meanwhile, she had a loyal worker at her side. Her husband joined her in building hospitals, convents, and churches so wholeheartedly that he was nicknamed the pious Upon the death of her husband in the marriage of two of her daughters. You Linda and her third daughter entered the convent of the poor Claire's war forced them to move to another convent, where despite her reluctance, you lento was made Abbess. She served her Franciscan sisters so effectively by word and example, that her fame and good works continue to spread beyond the walls of the cloister. She was especially devoted to the Passion of Christ, shortly before her death in 19. Shortly before her death in 1298, you'll enter reported that Jesus appeared to her telling her of her coming Death. There's more about the saints along with inspiration and Catholic resources at our website, Saint of the day.org. From Franciscan media, this has been saying, okay, he made a mistake,
Dallas Kelley :cloud and catch.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :He's a saint of the day.
Tim Stout :No, he he was going for the date and he said 19 and then he stopped and they didn't edit that can't figure out how they didn't edit that out. What's up with that? I mean, Franciscan media. We love you, but you produced a mistake. Anyway, it is what it is. A father Norman, thanks for coming.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Hey, decontaminate. Good to be with everyone. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for hosting.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :Hey, we got a gift for you.
Unknown Speaker :Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker :Have you heard of rugged,
Fr. Norman Fischer :rugged, rugged dresser? Yeah, I was just thinking of a Razzie that earlier today.
Tim Stout :Oh, you're Benedictus? You're good? Well, I don't I don't care. These are Benedictus. Oh, oh. Oh. Oh, you're gonna like that.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Thank you. This is a powerful weapon.
Tim Stout :It is a real thing. It's the it's a real good one. Oh, man. Thank you guys. I think it'll last forever.
Fr. Norman Fischer :chord we love it. So I like that metal beads.
Tim Stout :We thank you for coming. Glad to be here with us.
Fr. Norman Fischer :Yeah, thank you guys. I mean the truth is like the Holy Father would totally be excited for this kind of show and not just a show but just a place where you can breathe in place where you can just air out and let the Holy Spirit touch the word that's y'all have a beautiful program lined up and you know, your your guests you make your guests feel comfortable and, and the Holy Spirit just comes through. So thank you guys for hosting.
Tim Stout :Well, we we definitely appreciate you coming and we definitely focus on the discussion part. Talking is a good thing. Texting and emailing. So we thank you for coming next week. We have fellow parishioner, Dan Elliot joining us Dan's been the leader of RCI for ever 12 years, 12 years, 12 years. You know, Dan Elliot, I'm sure not you. Excellent. So it'd be good to have a discussion with him, but that'll be taped. Also reminder, just let us know. If you You know someone who you think should be on the show and we'll go from there.
Fr. Norman Fischer :I think you should have a father Danny Taylor.
Fr. Linh Nguyen :And that would be there you go. That would be
Fr. Norman Fischer :after tomorrow.
Tim Stout :ordination is tomorrow at the cathedral. Don't show up. But pray
Unknown Speaker :pray. Yeah, don't limited seating sorry.
Tim Stout :As always make sure you hit the like button on Facebook. And if you're watching on YouTube, hit subscribe and leave a comment if listening to the podcast on Apple, Spotify or any other podcasts like it, subscribe, leave a review. It just helps us know that people are getting the message. Most important tell your friends. That's what we want. Father Norman, could you give us your blessing?
Fr. Norman Fischer :Sure. The Lord be with you And with your spirit by ever God's blessing me The Blessing of Almighty God come down now upon each of you and remain with you this day and always Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
Dallas Kelley :Amen. Amen.
Fr. Norman Fischer :St. JOHN St. Francis says,
Tim Stout :pray for us. And until next week, Deacon Tim.
Unknown Speaker :I'm Deacon Dallas fatherland.
Fr. Norman Fischer :And I am father norm
Unknown Speaker :Good night, everybody. Good night.
Dallas Kelley :I won't say
Fr. Norman Fischer :he's over here is nice. So y'all went live and
Fr. Linh Nguyen :my heart starts racing this time